What would it take for you to believe, or not to believe
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Can Muning be considered a higher being?
In ancient Egypt! Maybe I was there in my previous life.
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How much do you know about Creation? Have you ever read a legitimate book written by PhD creationist scientists? Also the Bible is written on eyewitness accounts, unlike the evolutionary history that is constructed to fit the evidence.
“Any rational debate requires the honest presentation of both sides. But there exists a powerful, self- styled ‘intellectual elite’ [that] would have a debate wherin only one side was heard- while the other side was either ignored or grossly misinterpreted”
-John Sanford Ph.D, Courtesy Associate Professor, Dept. of Horticultural Sciences, Cornell University. Genetic engineering pioneer, inventor of the ‘gene gun’.
Yes, I'm well familiar with not only one presentation of creationist arguments, but several different frameworks as well as the typical "no scientist has ever provided sufficient evidence to challenge our claims." A lot of the time this is because what they're claiming is so completely off-the-wall that there are very few scientists that would even bother to give it a second thought, much less waste time disproving it.
I would attack the "rational debate" bit of that line given the context within which it is placed. A PhD is not a credential which magically bestows sanity, rational thought, or even a particular gift for studying. That sort of reminds me of that line from "The Tragedy of the Commons" problem which suggests that the "rational thinking farmer" will buy as many cows as possible, when it fact if a "rational thinking farmer" actually thought about the situation they'd explain the situation and ask their neighbors to buy less cows so the grass isn't grazed into oblivion.
Overlooking the historical context of a text, regardless of whether or not it is religious, is just silly. Stories, even divine ones, would never be created in a vacuum- they would be designed to present the information in a way the listener (or reader) would properly understand.
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Well, she has a higher cat. That is enough for me.
Can Muning be considered a higher being?
In ancient Egypt! Maybe I was there in my previous life.
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To be honest, in order for me to believe in a god or supreme being, I would need to see something that proved one existed. As of now, I have a desire to believe, but find it hard to do so with all the evil in the world. Another factor is that, while it is useful, I see the Bible as a collection of stories, and the majority of the belief system to be a set of laws that people are scared into following through the threat of eternal damnation.
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As I am an agnostic, I am quite open with the possibilities of the existence of God. But again, which God are we talking about? The one true God like in Christianity, or the Buddhist Gods or Shinto Gods like in Japan?
At the moment, I acknowledge the existence of deities such as the Buddhist/Chinese Gods, as I am brought up in an environment where people actually experiences meetings with such deities. I don't know whether they are counted as "Gods" or not, but they are supernatural beings which holds a degree of influence in our lives. What would it take for me not to believe? I don't think anything can revoke my belief, especially because it is quite of a personal experience and it's not something easily ignored.
As for the one true God, I am a bit more skeptical, perhaps because I generally hold the opinion that no one is perfect and extend this notion to the conception of God. Then, what would it take for me to believe that the one true God exists? I don't think I can ever be 100% sure. I always have this doubt of anything to be infallible.
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someone recently asked me "if god appeared before you would you believe in him" and my answer was no i would probably assume i am hallucinating and would immediately seek psychiatric help so
When I read this topic, it reminds me of Joan of Arc's visions from God or Prophet Muhammad's meeting with Angel Gabriel at Mount Hira.
..If this thing happens to me in real life or in my dreams..
I believe that I will not subject myself to blindly put my faith to a being that claimed itself as 'God' even if that 'Being' physically appeared infront of me. I always believe that God exists but He does not have a physical form as He is a supreme monotheistic being. Why would He convince humans of his existence since it all depends on the individuals' faith to decide whether he exists?
Even if that 'Being' is trying to convince me that it is claiming what it claimed to be, I will only trust my moral instincts and perceive this occurrence as a 'sign' from God..maybe it happened because it is a test of my faith as I am aware that there are other beings (e.g., the Devil, Jinns, Angels, Ghosts?) that exist in this world. For all we know, this Being is probably trying to perverse my faith from my God.
That's just my opinion..I gues it depends on people's faith on the existence of God.
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someone recently asked me "if god appeared before you would you believe in him" and my answer was no i would probably assume i am hallucinating and would immediately seek psychiatric help so
When I read this topic, it reminds me of Joan of Arc's visions from God or Prophet Muhammad's meeting with Angel Gabriel at Mount Hira.
..If this thing happens to me in real life or in my dreams..
I believe that I will not subject myself to blindly put my faith to a being that claimed itself as 'God' even if that 'Being' physically appeared infront of me. I always believe that God exists but He does not have a physical form as He is a supreme monotheistic being. Why would He convince humans of his existence since it all depends on the individuals' faith to decide whether he exists?
Even if that 'Being' is trying to convince me that it is claiming what it claimed to be, I will only trust my moral instincts and perceive this occurrence as a 'sign' from God..maybe it happened because it is a test of my faith as I am aware that there are other beings (e.g., the Devil, Jinns, Angels, Ghosts?) that exist in this world. For all we know, this Being is probably trying to perverse my faith from my God.
That's just my opinion..I gues it depends on people's faith on the existence of God.
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No, he is God, he doesn't need to convince people he is who he is when he shows in front of people. According to his attributes, if he shows up in front of a person, that person would know in that instant it's God. It's not a matter of faith.
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I'm on a religious rant right now, as a result of having to stuff a shitload of philosophical debates about religion for my final this Friday and I just have to say...if God exists, he must be the worst troll ever.
*I'm all powerful!
I'm all good!
I'm all knowing!
I love all my children!
Oh I know! I'll allow for unjust pain and suffering in the world!
Hmmm...I should help my children!
You want to win an award? Done!
You want me to save your mom? Done!
You want me to push back that test date to next week? Done!
World Hunger? Eh...I'll do that later...*
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^Not necessarily why I'm against Him, but that stuff is funny.
If God didn't contradict himself so openly, I'd be willing to believe.
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"if god appeared before you would you believe in him".I really doubt it. How can i believe in something like that? God will no need to prove of his existence by showing the true form or in other form. It so simple for me to believe that God did exist. Just look around and see all the nature's life, life & death & how the world keep going on perfectly, like someone is controling it. Of coz only God can do it.
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i love stories from different religions. but that doesn't mean i am a believer. i love mythical creatures and magic but it isn't real. i would be so cool if there were things like that which brings out wonder or fear in people's minds. also if god was real the terrorists or the good guys would have gotten their wish already.
the fear of god is there to make people behave. even if there was a god i don't think i would pray for any miracles. reality is harsh and we must deal with it alone i guess.
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I love to learn about other religions and adore mythology, however this doesn't mean that I will change my faith. Besides, we are taught that all faiths have some truth in them and one of our goals is to find that truth for ourselves instead of borrowing the faith of others-like our parents. And, knowing is not the same as believing. To have faith and believe is to trust without things like scientific proof or cold-hard facts commonly used by the world.
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I, myself, am a Deist (yeah, look that up, peoples), and to convince me to believe that God does not exist would be a difficult thing to do, because I follow Devil's Proof which is based on the idea of "Truths." An example would be Schrodinger's cat, where, THEORETICALLY, a cat was put in a box and those outside the box would have to decide whether the cat is "dead" or "alive." Technically speaking, the cat, to us, is both "dead" and "alive" at the same time because neither theory was completely disproven. The truth is inside the box and the only one who knows it is the cat itself. Applying this to God, we can easily say that he both "exists" and "doesn't exist" since neither theory was disproven. We can debate all we want, but we can't find out until we somehow open that box. However, that doesn't give anyone the absolute right to deny the existence or nonexistence of God to someone else. You have to remember what life is all about: self-satisfaction. If it's enough for them and it's enough for you, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. If God appeared before you, it's up to you to choose whether you believe or not. My mind settled on this years ago.
Alice came to a fork in the road.
"Which road do I take?" she asked.
"Where do you want to go?" responded the Cheshire cat.
"I don't know," Alice answered.
"Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."
~Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
