Ikkaku has a long LONG while knowing and using his Bankai (at least in secret) , so he is probably stronger than a few captains that I won't dare to mention because I am afraid of fans

SO I think it would be better to get the Captains into the fight and get them killed!!! (too many good guys!!!) and then Ikkaku finally decides to use the full power of his Bankai (just to get killed)

There are just tooooooo many good guys around... we need some beating in order to let others shine (KEIGO ASANO FTW) 😀

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Ikkaku has a long LONG while knowing and using his Bankai (at least in secret) , so he is probably stronger than a few captains that I won't dare to mention because I am afraid of fans

SO I think it would be better to get the Captains into the fight and get them killed!!! (too many good guys!!!) and then Ikkaku finally decides to use the full power of his Bankai (just to get killed)

There are just tooooooo many good guys around... we need some beating in order to let others shine (KEIGO ASANO FTW) 😀

he may have been able to use Bankai for a long time now, but that doesn't put him in a league higher than any of the Captains. at best he's Vice-Captain material. he's to similar to Renji in terms of usage of his Bankai and in power. it's not really a matter of fan out cry for some Captains or whatever. it's just more of a logical thought. the Captains usage and handling of their Bankai should exceed that of Ikkaku's.

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Like Renji?

Pffff just because Ikkaku fought with a shitty Arrancar and won (injured) doesn't mean Renji is any better than him

Ikkaku's Bankai is a sleeping Dragon, so I BET my money we haven't seen its full power.

and well there are a few captains that are weaker than Ikkaku, at least in my eyes

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Like Renji?

Pffff just because Ikkaku fought with a shitty Arrancar and won (injured) doesn't mean Renji is any better than him

Ikkaku's Bankai is a sleeping Dragon, so I BET my money we haven't seen its full power.

and well there are a few captains that are weaker than Ikkaku, at least in my eyes

i'm not going to question which is better than who in that comparison.
his Bankai has shown it's full power already that Arrancar he beat made him use it to it's full potential. if anything his Bankai works in the same manner as Hitsugaya's in terms of it being a time oriented weapon.
honestly i don't see any Captains being weaker than him at all. you either grossly underestimating what the Captains are, or overly estimating Ikkaku.

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O.o

Oh well

Anyway, KOMAMURA is the one to fight right now (and die)
Espada Left 4 with the emo
Good guys left +35 O.O

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O.o

Oh well

Anyway, KOMAMURA is the one to fight right now (and die)
Espada Left 4 with the emo
Good guys left +35 O.O

it wouldn't make any sense for him to lose though. cause like i said earlier if a Fraccion has the power to take out a Captain, then it should have been an Espada to begin with. so there's really no way for Komamura to lose, let alone die in this fight. and again i kind of think this is an unwarranted fight too cause of that Arrancar's status. Fraccion's really have no place up against Captain's unless they want to end up like that one dude did when he attempted to fight Kenpachi.

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Like Renji?

Pffff just because Ikkaku fought with a shitty Arrancar and won (injured) doesn't mean Renji is any better than him

Ikkaku's Bankai is a sleeping Dragon, so I BET my money we haven't seen its full power.

and well there are a few captains that are weaker than Ikkaku, at least in my eyes

i'm not going to question which is better than who in that comparison.
his Bankai has shown it's full power already that Arrancar he beat made him use it to it's full potential. if anything his Bankai works in the same manner as Hitsugaya's in terms of it being a time oriented weapon.
honestly i don't see any Captains being weaker than him at all. you either grossly underestimating what the Captains are, or overly estimating Ikkaku.

however, if you read that mini-arc, then you can see that he was the only one that went ban kai and won with his limiter on. Renji, like Hitsugaya and Masumoto. were getting beat around until they got approval.

So in Ikkaku's case, he beat his Arrancar, however barely, in his weakest strongest state.

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I think Ikkaku can beat that fraccion just fine cause he's just a gillian I think? He's like some of those arrancars beaten by Ichigo, Ishida and Chad during the early part of their entrance in Hueco Mundo. He's just transformed into a huge monster after an overpowering strength. Captains should not come into play this time. i think they should at least be fighting espada or the 3 ex captain at least. I still think that soifong and yoruichi will be fighting halibel and her fracciones, though.

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Like Renji?

Pffff just because Ikkaku fought with a shitty Arrancar and won (injured) doesn't mean Renji is any better than him

Ikkaku's Bankai is a sleeping Dragon, so I BET my money we haven't seen its full power.

and well there are a few captains that are weaker than Ikkaku, at least in my eyes

i'm not going to question which is better than who in that comparison.
his Bankai has shown it's full power already that Arrancar he beat made him use it to it's full potential. if anything his Bankai works in the same manner as Hitsugaya's in terms of it being a time oriented weapon.
honestly i don't see any Captains being weaker than him at all. you either grossly underestimating what the Captains are, or overly estimating Ikkaku.

however, if you read that mini-arc, then you can see that he was the only one that went ban kai and won with his limiter on. Renji, like Hitsugaya and Masumoto. were getting beat around until they got approval.

So in Ikkaku's case, he beat his Arrancar, however barely, in his weakest strongest state.

true enough, but you also have to consider that Captains and Vice-Captains have a more pressing limiter put on them for their influences on the human world. Ikkaku being a 3rd seat i doubt he has a heavier placement on him.

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[quote=Chaoswind]Like Renji?

Pffff just because Ikkaku fought with a shitty Arrancar and won (injured) doesn't mean Renji is any better than him

Ikkaku's Bankai is a sleeping Dragon, so I BET my money we haven't seen its full power.

and well there are a few captains that are weaker than Ikkaku, at least in my eyes

i'm not going to question which is better than who in that comparison.
his Bankai has shown it's full power already that Arrancar he beat made him use it to it's full potential. if anything his Bankai works in the same manner as Hitsugaya's in terms of it being a time oriented weapon.
honestly i don't see any Captains being weaker than him at all. you either grossly underestimating what the Captains are, or overly estimating Ikkaku.

however, if you read that mini-arc, then you can see that he was the only one that went ban kai and won with his limiter on. Renji, like Hitsugaya and Masumoto. were getting beat around until they got approval.

So in Ikkaku's case, he beat his Arrancar, however barely, in his weakest strongest state.

true enough, but you also have to consider that Captains and Vice-Captains have a more pressing limiter put on them for their influences on the human world. Ikkaku being a 3rd seat i doubt he has a heavier placement on him. [/quote]

The notion of giving someone a limiter just by their Seat is somewhat ridiculous. Urahara was a third seat when he was part of the second division, does that mean that if he were sent to the Real World, he should have a limiter suitable to that of a third seat? No. We all know just how powerful Urahara Kisuke is and giving him a reduction in his power just by his Seat number would be comical. The person giving him the limiter would notice that "Huh, wow, if i give him a Third Seat Limiter it does absolutely nothing to his overall power." Kaien Shiba is also another example.

But, after scanning through the chapters again, I guess a limiter wouldn't be put on a ranking member. Moreover, this can be proved when he goes into ban kai and we can't see the tattoo of his divison anyowhere so yeah...there goes my argument. I still think that in overall power and ban kai usage, Ikkaku is the better than renji...

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The notion of giving someone a limiter just by their Seat is somewhat ridiculous. Urahara was a third seat when he was part of the second division, does that mean that if he were sent to the Real World, he should have a limiter suitable to that of a third seat? No. We all know just how powerful Urahara Kisuke is and giving him a reduction in his power just by his Seat number would be comical. The person giving him the limiter would notice that "Huh, wow, if i give him a Third Seat Limiter it does absolutely nothing to his overall power." Kaien Shiba is also another example.

But, after scanning through the chapters again, I guess a limiter wouldn't be put on a ranking member. Moreover, this can be proved when he goes into ban kai and we can't see the tattoo of his divison anyowhere so yeah...there goes my argument. I still think that in overall power and ban kai usage, Ikkaku is the better than renji...

quite true your argument would make sense if every other ranking officer was at Ikkaku's level. but what sets him apart is the fact that he does know how to use Bankai. and then you also have to add in the fact that no one else really knows about it either. the reason why i said the Captains and Vice-Captains would have limiters placed on them is cause of the reiatsu leak their full power can omit. Urahara's case is an interesting example too, but you also have to factor in that even though he might have been a powerful third seat at the time it's not really likely he was Captain level all the time.
as for Ikkaku's bankai usage being better than Renji's, well i'm not really going to dive deep into that. cause honestly Renji can handle himself as well as Ikkaku, and it's not like either one is weak.

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You're assuming as if a Fraccion
can't be stronger than an Espada...
Bear in mind, that those are only 'statuses' given to eachother.

By your logic, a 3rd-seat (Ikkaku) can't be
on par or even stronger than a Vice-Captain.

Now, if you directly referred to different sorts of Menos.
Like, an Adjuuchas can't possibly be stronger than a Vasto Lorde.
Then I would completely agree with you.

For example, the top Espada must have some
pretty strong Fraccion to be compatible with them.

Edit: A Fraccion of Grimmjaw was even able to
overpower a Captain while being on a Reiatsu limit.
Still, it holds its grounds, I think.

Since Toshiro (or was it Rangiku?) commented
that if the Fraccion weren't surprised by the sudden power outburst.
They might have had a tough time dealing with them.

The page describing Espada~
Well, no need to make hasty conclusions.
Let's wait for the next chapter.

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You're assuming as if a Fraccion
can't be stronger than an Espada...
Bear in mind, that those are only 'statuses' given to eachother.

By your logic, a 3rd-seat (Ikkaku) can't be
on par or even stronger than a Vice-Captain.

Now, if you directly referred to different sorts of Menos.
Like, an Adjuuchas can't possibly be stronger than a Vasto Lorde.
Then I would completely agree with you.

For example, the top Espada must have some
pretty strong Fraccion to be compatible with them.

Edit: A Fraccion of Grimmjaw was even able to
overpower a Captain while being on a Reiatsu limit.
Still, it holds its grounds, I think.

Since Toshiro (or was it Rangiku?) commented
that if the Fraccion weren't surprised by the sudden power outburst.
They might have had a tough time dealing with them.

The page describing Espada~
Well, no need to make hasty conclusions.
Let's wait for the next chapter.

i don't think it's just a status thing when it comes to the Espada and Fraccion, even in the page you showed, the Arrancar stated that those Espada were more destructive and powerful out of all the others. so that's how they got their positions.
it's actually pretty understandable if a third seat isn't on par with a Vice-Captain. Ikkaku is most likely one of those rare occasions when a 3rd seat does have enough power to be one. other than that though i think it's not likely we'll see some 3rd seats come so close to being on par with a Vice-Captain, let alone Captain.
no doubt the top 4 Espada would have strong Fraccion with them, but i highly doubt that they'd be strong enough to face a Captain. Vice-Captain level would probably be the limit for those specific Fraccion.
but i agree it's better to wait till the next chapter to get a better idea of it.

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I remember Renji asking Ikkaku to apply to be Captain of a division, so I guess Ikkaku is already at Captain level (not the strongest captain), but Ikkaku wants to be Kenpashi bitch (I mean 3rd seat)

Remember Ikkaku's Bankai is RAW power, no Speed Bonus, Nothing else BUT POWER, so if you are hit with it at full power you die >_>

Also Ikkaku won that fight without use any special ability of his Bankai, is like Ichigo beating Byakuya without Tensa (the moon crap technique) 🙄

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? I don't know if it's just me thinking funny but it feels like somewhere I heard or read that most of the higher seated fighters are really strong but they choose not to go up a position because they "choose" not to. Any ideas anybody 😕