IMO, being ambitious is not setting unrealistic high goals. It also includes enjoying and being good at what you are doing and being financially independent as much as possible. And, there are a lot of other things one wants to care about in life other than a job (not just family and relationships though). Don't you think travel plans, hobbies, and property investments, etc can be ambitions?

Thinking about what you want to do as a job is important, but I think what kind of person you want to become is also important and needs to think about (that is what I would call personal development). So don't generalize the girls who don't set high career goals. People can have different lifestyles. Enjoy the life one is having and being comfortable is the most important no matter you are male or female. Guys shouldn't do anything they are not cut out for either.

Yeah, they do exist. But then, I'm a student at a tech school, eventually going for a Ph.D in engineering. I know lots of ambitious girls, and they do exist. I've lived my life going for those ambitions, and will continue to do so.

The traditional notions for gender roles have not completely disappeared yet. How many men do you see staying at home raising the kids while his wife works? There will be more "ambitious guys" than "ambitious girls" at this point in time. A moment where it's universally accepted that both genders equally work domestically and outside the home hasn't arrived yet.

The world is bigger than some mid size town in the south.

Thats odd. I would say without a doubt that every female friend I have is extremely ambitious and independent. It makes me look like a slacker.

Apparently you aren't looking in the right places.

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Almost every girl I know, but hey, I go to a good school 🙂

Lalala~

HA! Maybe you just went to the wrong schools, or live in the wrong place.

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Interesting, because the majority of the girls I know are fairly ambitious and have an actual plan in life. Like everyone else said, it depends on environment.

Thank you everyone. I hope I will find them when I move out of this town.

I don't know why you can't find an ambitious girl over there. Maybe you live in a more patriarchal or traditional society. Maybe most girls you know are dreaming of having lots of kids so they're picking dead end jobs cause they know they don't need something long term. Or maybe you're just hanging out with the wrong people. I dunno. I just find it odd.

I consider myself very ambitious. I also consider all my friends (most of which are female) ambitious.

I'm extremely ambitious, not just moderately so. I don't see myself being romantically in love or having kids because in my mind it gets in the way of my real dreams in life. I have a set plan in my life, and all my aunts are asking me why the hell I'm in such a hurry (I'm already trying to apply for an MBA...even though it's only been one year since I've graduated and most graduate schools here require at least 2 years of full-time job experience). I started working part time when I was 15...not because I needed the money, but because I wanted to get a headstart in job experience. I studied abroad, and i'd like to do it again. I'm not looking for prince charming, and actually prefer it if he never comes for me. XD

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I guess it really depends on what you define as "an ambitious girl" and you also have to take into account gender roles.

My mom for example, I think is rather ambitious because like a lot women back in the day, she dropped out of college when she married my dad. My mom is very intelligent, but she believed that my father (who was in business school) and her children needed her at home. After a couple of her kids went off to college, my mom decided she was going to take Independent Study and finish college. It took a couple years and it was challenging (especially with my brother who has special needs), but she graduated last year. Even though she does not have an income right now (she wants to stay at home with my brother until he is at least a little older), I would say she is pretty ambitious (with her dream of graduating college and raising a good family) and successful.

On the other hand, you have other women who are ambitious and successful through their jobs. I think it just depends on what you think is ambitious, but I do agree that there are plenty of girls who are just being lazy or are just looking for love (and getting used a lot because of it, like my great-aunt), but there are also a growing amount of men who are becoming like that too. hm...I think being are beginning to switch gender roles around too much 🤣

With me, I would ideally like to finish college before I get married and I'm debating on whether I want to become an Occupation Therapist or an Accountant, which both require Master Degrees.

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Jeez, you can't compare Saber's ambition to that of real life girls. The situation is so unrealistic, and can't be compared. Saber is ambitious, but not in ways that apply to real life at all.

Plenty of girls in real life are ambitious. However, ambitious girls are tagged often as self-centered, and malicious. People aren't used to genuine ambition from girls, and many guys are intimidated and pass off the girls' ambition as being selfish. The female CEO of a big company is ambitious, as is the girl on the track team who tries her best to win, but so is the cheerleader who rigged the competition so that her team could win. Even stay at home moms can be very ambitious in every day life events.

It all depends on how you interpret ambition. More than five out of every thousand girls are ambitious, many, many more. You just define "ambition" in a certain closed context that most of these girls don't fall into. Becoming a CEO in a big company, or fighting to win like Saber does, are not the only forms of ambition.

I think he defined what not being 'ambitious' was with his description of the girls where he lives, and from said description, they do sound like a typical unambitious citizen. A lot has to do with societal norms of certain areas. You would definitely find more ambitious women in urban settings and also in certain countries that stress hard work. This is in contrast to, for example, the southern united states (or any other country setting really) where most people hold a conservative view on how women should be living their lives.

i think its where you live i mean i live in the States too New York to be specific and i think its their upbring and how girls view themselves and i think there are many types of ambitious and it also depends on how you view who is ambitious and who is not some girl you think is not ambitious i might think she is ambitious. And comparing an anime girl to a real life girl is kind of an insult (to me it is) anime girl's personalities are created to be that specific way and in real life people experience their own struggles within themselves and how they want to be viewed by others etc. (this is just my way of think i hope i didn't offend anyone)