I find it interesting that Japanese and English publishers went after manga congregation sites such as OneManga and MangaToshokan, yet appear to have done nothing towards Tazmo's anime-plus and manga-plus. To me Tazmo is the greater evil, not only using fan scans and fan subs but even charging for them, directly profiting from copyright materials with out license.

Is it time to tip off the big guns?

No. It is not.
We dont want them firing at us ANY MORE then the already have.
We'll cruise along until we find something else that's a bit more stable.
If they start targeting the Scanlators, we're finished.

"Anything is possible with enough time, money, and high explosives." -Guardian Credo

To me this sort of reminds me of Hollywood's battle with piracy. Japanese manga publishers just haven't yet adapted to the global economy that we live in. Hollywood used to wait several weeks, sometimes months after movies were released in North America before releasing them in Europe, Asia, etc., that led to the underground movie economy whereby people in those markets didn't want to wait weeks, months, etc., to see movies when they knew the movies were already available at street vendors selling pirate copies.

Eventually some manga publishers will realize this and release their product in multiple languages and countries simultaneously to maximize revenues and remove fans motivation to read their work online for free.

Quote from devioustrevor

Eventually some manga publishers will realize this and release their product in multiple languages and countries simultaneously to maximize revenues and remove fans motivation to read their work online for free.

Lots of people don't want to purchase a copy; that is the point.
They want *free *manga.
Until that need goes away, people will continue to seek out manga online. What the publishers do to encourage sales isn't doing to deter them.

(Not to say that everyone who uses the internet to find manga is a nasty pirate who just wants everything free. This issue is more delicate than that ^^; ).

Quote from Terpsichore

Quote from devioustrevor

Eventually some manga publishers will realize this and release their product in multiple languages and countries simultaneously to maximize revenues and remove fans motivation to read their work online for free.

Lots of people don't want to purchase a copy; that is the point.
They want *free *manga.
Until that need goes away, people will continue to seek out manga online. What the publishers do to encourage sales isn't doing to deter them.

(Not to say that everyone who uses the internet to find manga is a nasty pirate who just wants everything free. This issue is more delicate than that ^^; ).

My biggest problem is that the translation seems either censored or horribly done.
Ive only seen 1 or 2 publisher actually do a good job with the localizations.
Ikkitousen is a prime example.

Quote from Gokuthegrate

Quote from Terpsichore

Quote from devioustrevor

Eventually some manga publishers will realize this and release their product in multiple languages and countries simultaneously to maximize revenues and remove fans motivation to read their work online for free.

Lots of people don't want to purchase a copy; that is the point.
They want *free *manga.
Until that need goes away, people will continue to seek out manga online. What the publishers do to encourage sales isn't doing to deter them.

(Not to say that everyone who uses the internet to find manga is a nasty pirate who just wants everything free. This issue is more delicate than that ^^; ).

My biggest problem is that the translation seems either censored or horribly done.
Ive only seen 1 or 2 publisher actually do a good job with the localizations.
Ikkitousen is a prime example.

There are certainly times when I could complain about the quality of a translation, but overall, supporting the author is very important to me, and I don't want the publishers to go out of business.

I don't always know whether the online scans are better, because I have never read the original manga.

Quote from Terpsichore

Quote from Gokuthegrate

Quote from Terpsichore

[quote=devioustrevor]Eventually some manga publishers will realize this and release their product in multiple languages and countries simultaneously to maximize revenues and remove fans motivation to read their work online for free.

Lots of people don't want to purchase a copy; that is the point.
They want *free *manga.
Until that need goes away, people will continue to seek out manga online. What the publishers do to encourage sales isn't doing to deter them.

(Not to say that everyone who uses the internet to find manga is a nasty pirate who just wants everything free. This issue is more delicate than that ^^; ).

My biggest problem is that the translation seems either censored or horribly done.
Ive only seen 1 or 2 publisher actually do a good job with the localizations.
Ikkitousen is a prime example.

There are certainly times when I could complain about the quality of a translation, but overall, supporting the author is very important to me, and I don't want the publishers to go out of business.

I don't always know whether the online scans are better, because I have never read the original manga.[/quote]
If the authors could get money from the scanlators through some sort of subscription that would be the best outcome in my opinion.

I agree, on most of the points in here, most people dont want to pay for what they can get free, and yes, tazmo is evil.
Anyway, the reason why some people (myself included) read online manga, is because quite simply, the majority of the titles I read are never published in English. Anyway, lets just be thankful they missed this site =] ...For now.

it is not only the fact of free manga it is also that alot of times they completely destroy in translation from large companies 1 example i can think of off the bat are psychic academy i paid for the entire series because even though they ruin the characters it was a good series but when i read the snoopycool translation i regretted buying them and over the years i have bought a couple thousand volumes so i can say that it is not always cause it is free

we don't need any more of these threads

[color=green]"Officially, this machine doesn't exist, you didn't get it from me,
and I don't know you. Make sure it doesn't leave the building."[/color]