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Sure why not, having "safe" sex and making money doesn't sound wrong. Beside love and sex are DIFFERENT!
BUUUUT prostitution must have an age limit. Amen! >:-( >:-(

I agree 100%. I'm not against prostitution, but only if the person chooses on its own and not being forced to. I also think that there should be an age limit.

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You mean age limist as in not underaged? Child prostitution is illegal no matter how you look at it. If you mean it the other way, well... No one has to have sex with some old gradma, but if someone wants to, why not let him?

Prostitution is customer service. As long as the person is not underaged and isn't somehow mentally ill (doesn't realize what she/he is doing, or something like that) I don't see any reason why there should be any other limitations. Except of course if there's a danger of infecting the customer to something. After all, the customer doesn't need to do anything if so decites.

Why should you be against prostitution? If you have your own morals, that's good and all, but there's no reason to expect others to follow them. If you don't want to have anything to do with it, you don't have to. If someone has to do it because she/he can't live otherwise, they've come to the conclusion that it's a better choice than dying in the gutter. In that case, the problem lies elsewhere.

Sex slavery isn't prostitution! If they are forced to do it, it's like any kind of slavery, and of course we're against it. Like any crime that's human right violation.

There are crime that is only bad because they're not benefitical to the goverment, like prostitution. Some crimes are bad because of the suffering they cause, like sex slavery. When everywhere in the world is a good place to live in, then would it be completely acceptable for the law to forbit business that isn't good for the gorverment itself; because better choices. But if the only choices are: to die in the streets for hunger and sickness, or to become a prostitute, don't come and only leave them with the first option! Sure it's not always that bad, but if you can't rely on the goverment, why should you follow their rules? It's just taking care of yourself. And only one it's hurting is the goverment. If they offered a better solution, of course that would be the one chosen.

Far-off places with sweet sounding names.

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What are you, some prostitution speacialist? And you changed the "profession" to "safe profession". No one said there's no risks, but that doesn't mean it can't be a profession, safe or not.

i don't have to be a specialist to know it's dangers. i didn't change a thing from it be a "profession" to a "safe profession" either. all i'm doing is pointing out what lies ahead if you go on with it as a "safe profession". you made the analogy earlier comparing it to the stock market, when it comes to the stock market there's a big payoff for the risks taken. but in terms of prostitution there isn't the money isn't that big as you think it is to consider it so.

before any claims are made on me as some sort of expert, i'll point out that i've seen some documentaries focused on prostitution before. and seen them make account of their lives and how prostitution is for them. so this is where my argument comes from.

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Prostitution is customer service. As long as the person is not underaged and isn't somehow mentally ill (doesn't realize what she/he is doing, or something like that) I don't see any reason why there should be any other limitations. Except of course if there's a danger of infecting the customer to something. After all, the customer doesn't need to do anything if so decites.

i've pointed out before that i'm in between other whether it's ok or not. so it being a customer service is a sound for the most part. but you also have to consider that customers take advantage of that. so there should be limitations. the customer can't do more than the prostitute is allowing for the amount paid. in one of the documentaries i watched a prostitute accounted a situation once where a customer wouldn't listen to her when she said he wasn't to do anything to other than normal sex. so she gave him back his money and didn't do anything else with him.

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Why should you be against prostitution? If you have your own morals, that's good and all, but there's no reason to expect others to follow them. If you don't want to have anything to do with it, you don't have to. If someone has to do it because she/he can't live otherwise, they've come to the conclusion that it's a better choice than dying in the gutter. In that case, the problem lies elsewhere.

there are many reasons to be against it. with reasons given already. but it's understandable that some people have some circumstances for doing so. life of course is not easy. but just like you said people can't others to agree with it being glorified either. morals aside there are plenty of other problems with prostitution.

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Sex slavery isn't prostitution! If they are forced to do it, it's like any kind of slavery, and of course we're against it. Like any crime that's human right violation.

agreed, you can't really call it prostitution if some outside force is making a person do it against their own will.

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There are crime that is only bad because they're not benefitical to the goverment, like prostitution. Some crimes are bad because of the suffering they cause, like sex slavery. When everywhere in the world is a good place to live in, then would it be completely acceptable for the law to forbit business that isn't good for the gorverment itself; because better choices. But if the only choices are: to die in the streets for hunger and sickness, or to become a prostitute, don't come and only leave them with the first option! Sure it's not always that bad, but if you can't rely on the goverment, why should you follow their rules? It's just taking care of yourself. And only one it's hurting is the goverment. If they offered a better solution, of course that would be the one chosen.

it's not so much that the crime of prostitution is bad per se, but that it's regulation and dangers that make it on the look out. STD out breaks is a serious thing. and since prostitutes don't really take down who their clients are for anonymous reasons, it could be even more difficult to find the source. then there's also the trouble of the safety of the prostitutes as well. since it's illegal, it's harder for them to make claims of crimes against them when it comes rape and robbery.
of course if it's the only choice they have to do to survive, then they have to do it. but remember not all of them have the same reasoning as that either. some do it for drugs and such too.
prostitution can hurt a lot of people, not just the government.

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all i'm doing is pointing out what lies ahead if you go on with it as a "safe profession". you made the analogy earlier comparing it to the stock market, when it comes to the stock market there's a big payoff for the risks taken. but in terms of prostitution there isn't the money isn't that big as you think it is to consider it so.

You said earlier that it can't be called a profession. Or did I miss something? And for those who do stock marketing as a profession, there's not that big payoff. Of course they can make good money, but prostitutes can also many decent money. And if you mean those who are forced to do it, one way or another, well this topic isn't about that. Of course it's not anything great, but it's better than nothing, and even if it wouldn't be much of a one, it would still be a profession. There can be amateur prostitutes, but there can also be professional prostitutes.

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before any claims are made on me as some sort of expert, i'll point out that i've seen some documentaries focused on prostitution before. and seen them make account of their lives and how prostitution is for them. so this is where my argument comes from.

Uh huh... But they still choce to do it, instead of steal or something. I'm not saying it's something great, sorry if it seemed so.

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i've pointed out before that i'm in between other whether it's ok or not. so it being a customer service is a sound for the most part. but you also have to consider that customers take advantage of that. so there should be limitations. the customer can't do more than the prostitute is allowing for the amount paid. in one of the documentaries i watched a prostitute accounted a situation once where a customer wouldn't listen to her when she said he wasn't to do anything to other than normal sex. so she gave him back his money and didn't do anything else with him.

That's why they usually have guardians. I'm not denying there's no risks. If prostitution was fully legal, the risks would be reduced. And bigger prostitution is alot safer, because they are under organized crime, not some random gangsters or themselves.

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there are many reasons to be against it. with reasons given already. but it's understandable that some people have some circumstances for doing so. life of course is not easy. but just like you said people can't others to agree with it being glorified either. morals aside there are plenty of other problems with prostitution.

But are the problems effecting you? You should think a better solution before being against it.

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agreed, you can't really call it prostitution if some outside force is making a person do it against their own will.

And most people can't see the difference.

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STD out breaks is a serious thing.

It they know what they're doing, or if it's bigger business (what I said before) they know how to keep that risk to minumum. For the other kind of prostitution, the customer should be careful as well, and most people realize that (or at least they should...).

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then there's also the trouble of the safety of the prostitutes as well. since it's illegal, it's harder for them to make claims of crimes against them when it comes rape and robbery.

And that's exactly because it's illegal. And as I said before, when it's origanized, they have their way of handling it. They don't have the law on their side, so they use... other methods. But those who deal with them, know it, and it's they need to consider the risks themselves. There's rules even if it's illegal, it's not like there's no risks with legal stuff too if you break the rules. And well, if you're doing it's handled by yourself or some gangsters, the risks are alot bigger, but that's what would be fixed if it were to become legal.

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of course if it's the only choice they have to do to survive, then they have to do it. but remember not all of them have the same reasoning as that either. some do it for drugs and such too.
prostitution can hurt a lot of people, not just the government.

But then that's a drug problem. The drugs are the origin of it, not prostitution. Hurt alot people, as in family and friends? But that's also because of the drugs.

Far-off places with sweet sounding names.

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You said earlier that it can't be called a profession. Or did I miss something? And for those who do stock marketing as a profession, there's not that big payoff. Of course they can make good money, but prostitutes can also many decent money. And if you mean those who are forced to do it, one way or another, well this topic isn't about that. Of course it's not anything great, but it's better than nothing, and even if it wouldn't be much of a one, it would still be a profession. There can be amateur prostitutes, but there can also be professional prostitutes.

yes i did say it couldn't be called a profession for the same reasons as well. even if the money seems decent enough when it comes to the prostitution it's not really that great of a pay off either. it's barely enough to get by as well. you made points of how it's a last resort sort of thing. if it's to be considered so then even the prostitutes themselves possibly don't consider it to be a profession. it's not like some girl decides one she wants to be a prostitute, (lol despite that scene from Family Guy when Brian tells that to one of his students). i don't want to assume something, so i may be wrong on thinking this might be the basis of your argument. so i'll put it out there, if you're thinking otherwise then let me know.
there is actually a difference between prostitution and escorts. aside from the one having sex involved and the other doesn't, the money between the two is actually huge. since most escorts tend to go after higher society than a prostitute would.
again i'm just pointing this out since i don't know for sure if you're using this as a means to measure the amount of money made in prostitution.

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Uh huh... But they still choce to do it, instead of steal or something. I'm not saying it's something great, sorry if it seemed so.

actually a lot of them want to get out of it. a majority of them don't like what they're doing. and some of them had no choice but to do it, as you pointed out.

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That's why they usually have guardians. I'm not denying there's no risks. If prostitution was fully legal, the risks would be reduced. And bigger prostitution is alot safer, because they are under organized crime, not some random gangsters or themselves.

if it was fully legal, then anonymity would be gone wouldn't it. 😛 but you are right though a lot of the risks would be dealt with effectively reducing danger to both parties being the customer and the prostitute.

my reason for saying the customer for that aspect is cause of the guardians you pointed out. some of them are pretty bad schemers as well. and since you said it's a customer service like "business" i thought i should point it out as well. anonymity is something the customers desire, but that is also a weakness too, which could lead to blackmail.

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But are the problems effecting you? You should think a better solution before being against it.

of course those problems could affect me in some way or another.

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STD out breaks is a serious thing.

this alone could affect a lot of people, not just the prostitute and their client. you never know if a partner of yours ended up using one before, or if they were with someone who had contracted it before.

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It they know what they're doing, or if it's bigger business (what I said before) they know how to keep that risk to minumum. For the other kind of prostitution, the customer should be careful as well, and most people realize that (or at least they should...).

maybe for a bigger business it might be easier to control in terms of the prostitute. but then again not all of them are under such a control though. and some people are indeed careless.

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And that's exactly because it's illegal. And as I said before, when it's origanized, they have their way of handling it. They don't have the law on their side, so they use... other methods. But those who deal with them, know it, and it's they need to consider the risks themselves. There's rules even if it's illegal, it's not like there's no risks with legal stuff too if you break the rules. And well, if you're doing it's handled by yourself or some gangsters, the risks are alot bigger, but that's what would be fixed if it were to become legal.

ironically enough, organized ones are a big problem too. since it's likely they force make prostitutes. since it's not likely someone is going come out of nowhere and say they want to be a prostitute. at least without some extenuating circumstances behind it. and besides that, the organized one is actually much more devious than if it was some sort of gangster involved or if they were doing it themselves. granted the pay might be better, but i doubt that they'd be able to get out of it if they wanted too.

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But then that's a drug problem. The drugs are the origin of it, not prostitution. Hurt alot people, as in family and friends? But that's also because of the drugs.

true there are a lot of things that could lead to the decision of prostitution. but still it's not exactly something family would feel ok about. friends maybe, since, i know it sounds weird to say, friends can understand things a bit better than even family could.

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actually a lot of them want to get out of it.

But isn't that exactly because they're forced to do it? Even if they choce it themselves at the beginning.

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some of them are pretty bad schemers as well.

That's what it's like with gangsters. When it's origanized, you'd be suprised how well it's all being taken care of. No one hires that kinda people for such jobs.

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of course those problems could affect me in some way or another.

But you need to think what would be a better solution, otherwise it's just complaining, right?

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but then again not all of them are under such a control though. and some people are indeed careless.

From a stupid head suffers the whole body.

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ironically enough, organized ones are a big problem too. since it's likely they force make prostitutes. since it's not likely someone is going come out of nowhere and say they want to be a prostitute. at least without some extenuating circumstances behind it. and besides that, the organized one is actually much more devious than if it was some sort of gangster involved or if they were doing it themselves. granted the pay might be better, but i doubt that they'd be able to get out of it if they wanted too.

Sex trade is organized, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about organized crime that has prostitution. There's always stupid fuckers everywhere, but they never last for long. And you'd be suprised how "clean" organized crime can be. It's totally different from other crime. Murderers and all kinds of sick people can become organized, but the real organized crime, compared to non-organized is very much different. I hope I'm making any sense, I'm really tired...

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true there are a lot of things that could lead to the decision of prostitution. but still it's not exactly something family would feel ok about. friends maybe, since, i know it sounds weird to say, friends can understand things a bit better than even family could.

There are alot of things family might not accept. It doesn't matter if it's illegal or legal. Even if it's a respected profession, your family may feel very different about it.

Far-off places with sweet sounding names.

I...really don't care.

What people do with their money is none of my concern.

And how people get their money, is also none of my concern, as long as they leave me out of it.

But i would like to see it become safer, so many STD's going around...

Oh, and this is all assuming they went into it willingly, if it was forced... 🤢

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I...really don't care.

What people do with their money is none of my concern.

And how people get their money, is also none of my concern, as long as they leave me out of it.

But i would like to see it become safer, so many STD's going around...

Oh, and this is all assuming they went into it willingly, if it was forced... 🤢

That's exactly what I think.

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as long as the proper precautions are taken then i think its fine, its not any worse than some other jobs where they sell themselves to perform a service and it just so happens they use their bodies.

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I...really don't care.

What people do with their money is none of my concern.

And how people get their money, is also none of my concern, as long as they leave me out of it.

But i would like to see it become safer, so many STD's going around...

Oh, and this is all assuming they went into it willingly, if it was forced... 🤢

That's exactly what I think.

Sounds pretty selfish but thats bang on. If she/he wants to sell themselves willingly, then so be it. Your born to make choices and thats one of them. If you feel like selling your body then who gives a F%*k...! besides...your family. If you buy prostitutes then good luck not catching anything, condoms aren't 100% 🤣

Suprisingly alot of prostitutes do it because its easier work 😲 I feel if someone is doing it because of something insignificant like that then they deserve degrading sex with strangers...which they chose.

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i think prostitution should be regulated, for example you would need to have a license for it and take tests once or twice a month, and if you have any then you cant be a prostitute / cant pay for one, also they shouldnt be allowed to just walk along the streets and stuff, they should have like uhh... those special love hotel wuchacallems... for better regulation. that way they would be more socially acceptable, but they shouldnt have any of those in the druggie areas 😐 that would be bad.

i support that form of prostitution.

edit: i looked up at those child prostitution things... and that post about mentally ill people. i think to be an adult you must have a certain IQ at a certain age, for example that typical 18yo "dumb blond" vs the 10yo child prodigy, the 10yo would be an adult because of his / her high intelligence, but the 18yo wouldnt be, because you know, shes like, Retarded.

edit2(responsetoWhatever): thats not even a reason.... and while you arent religious, you certainly 'reason' like one =_=

I'll be honest. I'm against it purely because I find it disgusting. It's not even the act. It's the fact a person would sink so low for money that makes me feel sickened. As if they really have no choice at all. That is all the reason I need. I've heard all the reasons for and against it. I don't care. Now I don't care if other people want to do it. I've said it before. I mostly don't like people. So if they want to lay down and let millions of men release their fluids into them that is their business. I just don't want to be expected to be open minded about it. If I had a kid who grew up and decided to do that sort of thing I'd be extremely disappointed in them and I'd be vocal about it. I'd go out of my way to stop them and if I couldn't I would cut them out of my life. Just to be clear: I'm not religious. At all. My reason is I just purely find it disgusting.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I mean, what's so wrong with having sex for money?
If they want to do it, fine.
it being illegal...they're taking two things away from them now: sex AND money.

I don't have an opinion on whether it should be illegal or not since I don't think the legality of it is the issue but I will admit I have a lack of knowledge on the matter. If we're speaking of personal opinions though, I generally look down on the practice of prostitution simply because of the health concerns, crime, drugs, etc. that are also associated along with it.

I am against forced by people or situations etc and underage prostitutn or exploitation through this profession but I know that there are some people who do it by choice- its not something I would advocate but its something that I am not adamantly against. As long as you are happy.

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