Japan Rewrites History?
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Japanese text books are corrupted.
Goddamn patriots.
And it is not just them,
all of you are living in a sea of lies.
17 years ago
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OK i don't want to get off topic and start a fight....but here's the thing:
my opinion is unbiased because i love the US and Japan (well ...maybe japan a little more <.<), i have respect for both histories, but the truth sometimes is left out.
My great-grandfather was the governor of Makati (in the Philippines) during the war. everybody in PH was scared 'cause they saw japanese spies all over the place. everbody in asia heard that the japanese wanted to bomb the US (so why didn't the US know 😕 ). don't antagonize me because the information i gave you is true, i have proof ><
Anyway the U.S. probably thought the Japanese weren't that great (hello we are the United Sates -_-), so they ignored the threat and thought nothing of it. So when they bombed Pearl Harbor, they were like "what a surprise" o.o
With the bombing, i don't think it's fair. i watched many documentaries, which stated that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were holy towns filled with many catholics and no men (since they went off to war). why did we pick those locations out of the whole country?
if u don't believe me don't reply 'cause i have a hard time explaining this to my own peers ><
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history is always written by the ones that last the longest. and it is always biased. america was once the same way. my parents didnt find out about the korean war till i asked her about it. when i asked my grandfather who fought in the war he said "i had totally forgotten that i was in such a thing, why do you want to know?". the reason being is that people didnt want to talk about it. and that is the japanese mind set. if there is a problem ignore it till it goes away. i see it all the time walking around tokyo. it is a sad thing. now (at least my high school) the force out modern history and the history of the wars. japanese internment camps and such forth. there is a pretty large movement (by what i am told from my host parents) to change how that is. since they want people to remember the things that had happen, people's suffering doesnt go away. and if you force on that suffering then it should be remember and regretted.
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17 years ago
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That's true. all my history teachers tell me that history is written by the victors. but in the case of the japanese, they had to twist some of the history. and since my books are written by americans, nobody will question the fact ><
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17 years ago
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The people killed in Pearl harbor were mostly Soldiers, and in my eyes those are acceptable deaths, since it was a war
However, the targets of those booms were mostly civilians, that in my eyes was an horrible act, they could have used those to destroy an important industry complex or a huge military base, however it was much easier to just drop the boom in a little unprotected city than to risk it all attacking "Soldiers".
Is up to you who was right and who was wrong about that, but clearly the US is far from the Freedom fighters they claim to be.
Japanese also did their share of bad things, they too are unclean from the experiments they committed, about the reason the Japanese attacked the US, there is always a reason, try to look yourself what motivated the Japanese to attack pearl harbor, I am sure you will be surprised.
You do realize that the US had no part in the war until then right? Besides the US never new the full potential of the weapon they created, if they new the effects it wouldn't have been used. I do agree though that America aren't the greatest, but that what happens your the strongest and make a couple of bad decisions. They impact so much more.
Actually they did >_> is called WWII and even if the US had no active role in battle until pearl harbor, the US was still enforcing certain politics and doing underground moves on other countries (yes that has been a tactic employed by the US since the beginning)
I don't know for real, but a few unclassified files (with words are mostly all in black) "remember what they do to sensitive information in classified files" seem to point out that Winston Churchill and a few American leaders were pushing Japan around pointing war crimes and such... and spying on Japan helping the Chinese, etc,etc.
What was there to be gained? in the Words of Winston Churchill
Crap I don't remember the quote... But Winston Churchill was a very smart bastard, they (England) gave American leaders a codified message that the "Germans" had sent to the Mexicans asking them to attack US in exchange of an alliance.
Of course that was Bull crap, but Winston Churchill had a long while trying to give the US an active role in the War, and when Japan attacked the US, Churchill was as happy as any manipulator son of a bitch could be.
Things that Churchill did?
Give the US, fake war reports with said that the war was tied or static (with was a LIE, Germany had pretty much won, by that moment, if the US had stopped sending Aid to Europe, Germany could have destroyed England and subdued western Europe without a single problem).
Churchill is also well known to blow things out of proportion and hide shameful acts himself, it was the only guy that could have stopped Germany, but he was a pretty evil bastard himself.
In short Churchill probably prayed to Satan in order to make Japan attack the US (probably because his half assed move with Mexico didn't work) but being a guy like him, he probably manipulated his way around and made the Japanese think that attacking the US was a great idea.
Facts: Germany did Write the Message (exactly when is still unknown to me but it was around 1939 a few months before the attack to France) but some seem to think that was around 1940, but it was never sent to Mexico (probably Germany considered it to be trouble some to sent such a thing that would cause little effect other than piss off the US), England "caught" the message and gave it to US leaders instead.
Fact: The western world had NO IDEA of what was truly happening in Europe, the only source of information was England (they made sure of it) and as such most of the "reports" they gave were LIES, extremely faulty and well worse than the US propaganda machine of today.
Fact: In the WWII ALL and I mean ALL the countries involved were EVIL (look for what I consider Evil in the "Good and Evil" thread) none were Hero's, none did it because it was right, is was Greed vs GREED nothing more and nothing else.
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My great-grandfather was the governor of Makati (in the Philippines) during the war. everybody in PH was scared 'cause they saw japanese spies all over the place. everbody in asia heard that the japanese wanted to bomb the US (so why didn't the US know 😕 ). don't antagonize me because the information i gave you is true, i have proof ><
The thing is... they did know... only the Elites leaders knew about it, but Winston Churchill and them agreed it would be MUCH better if Japan attacked the US, (they needed a motive to drive the American people to arms, and nothing seemed to be better) actually they could have stopped Japan before Pearl Harbor, but it was more convenient to keep "instigating" japan.
About the Nuclear "Drops"
The Manhattan project scientist, had calculations of how much power the boom could release and those calculations were right, what was not clear is what would happen after the drops (Radiation = Cancer) that is the reason those booms were (tested) in such a place...
Not to mention the message that was sent to the world (mess with us and we will erase your cities of the map)
Thanks god a few German Scientist that were working in the German Nuclear Boom made it to Russia and in a few years made the play field even... Some seem to think the Cold war was Bad, but it is the only reason Nuclear booms weren't used in any war after WWII
If you shot a Nuke at us we will shot a hundred at you 😁
17 years ago
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Wow you're the first to agree >< I felt i was the only one out there >.>
That was the best explanation i've ever heard ^^
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I made an account to reply to this, because it's a piece of history I find fascinating😉
As an explanation as to part of the reasons Japan invaded the other nations, the idea was manifest destiny, in which a nation believes it is destined to rule over a region because of it's superiority (sp?). Take into consideration Japan's lack of resources, their higher level of industrialization compared to the other nations, and extreme national pride, it was not surprising that they should attack other nations. Also keep in mind that, like many regions, the various countries had been fighting off and on for centuries, and hate, unfortunately, is often passed down through generations.
Now, the US was not, contrary to popular believe, ENTIRELY innocent of starting the war. After the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, the US imposed economic sanctions against the Japanese. This, obviously, did not please the Japanese. Also, before the start of the war, many Americans and Japanese both thought that the US could not win a war against Japan, though there were several notable exceptions (such as the admiral who led the attack on Pearl Harbor.) As to the reason why they attacked the harbor, most of the American Pacific fleet was stationed there and in port, except for, of course, the aircraft carriers. Furthermore, it was an American who first opened the Japanese ports back when they were isolated.
The reasons for dropping the bombs were varied. My personal belief is that Truman realized Americans were tired of fighting, and remember, we took quite a beating in the European theater. The Japanese really didn't have in mind to actually surrender, but instead would have rebuilt and started it all over again. Furthermore, think of Japans topography...all the mountains, islands, and such would have been a nightmare for the occupying troops, providing easy cover for insurgents (kinda like the trouble we are having with Iraq and Afghanistan.) Keep in mind, back then, we did not have all the fancy technology that makes it easier in this day and age. Lastly, keep in mind that war is, has been, and always will be about crushing the other side's morale. Whats the best way to show there is no hope of victory? Show you can destroy every single major population center in the country.
As for the targets, there was significant military infrastructure in the first target, that I know of, and in the second target I believe there was as well. However, they were also chosen because of population...the Americans WANTED to kill a lot of people, again, going into the whole hope thing.
And re-writing history is common...and chances are, the Holocaust will be completely forgotten in another hundred years.
Those are the details I couldn't remember, but the more facts we pour to this thread, bigger are the chances of the Weresheeps to wake up to the truth 🙂
17 years ago
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Quote from Mamsmilk
Japanese text books are corrupted.
Goddamn patriots.
And it is not just them,
all of you are living in a sea of lies.
Enlighten us then, Mams.
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17 years ago
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Is true, we are indeed living in a sea of lies, but I even the play field by seeking the truth or at least looking for different points of view about the same thing 😀
We live in a world of Half Trues, but With a Half here and a Half there guala, you get the whole truth yourself 🙂
17 years ago
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You guys should all watch the documantary The War
Also do you guys do know that the firebombing of Tokyo killed far more people then the atomic bombs? ths quote is from wikipedia but it has also been sourced
Changing their tactics to expand the coverage and increase the damage, 279 B-29s raided on the night of March 9–10, dropping around 1,700 tons of bombs.Approximately 16 square miles (41 km²) of the city were destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died in the resulting firestorm, more than the immediate deaths of either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
17 years ago
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No one said otherwise... I said the symbolism was greater... no matter where you hide, the city will be erased and you will die...
It has a stronger message than the booming of Tokyo
17 years ago
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I bet everyone did the same too. Always, always, be so "patriotic" and do antagonize the others. By the way, I'm not a Japanese 😀
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17 years ago
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If you think about it, no country is immune to rewriting their history. It's just Japan has gotten caught in the act of it.
17 years ago
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That's normal all countries rewrite their own history so that they look better then they really are. Russia is doing the same thing, like writing that Stalin was a good manager, and in the end all the death of all those people can be justified.With only exeption - Germany, they seem to get satisfaction by saying how bad they were.
Anyway you can't possibly check the books of all the countries in the world to make sure they write things that you like.
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17 years ago
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Quote from Chaoswind
Fact: The western world had NO IDEA of what was truly happening in Europe, the only source of information was England (they made sure of it) and as such most of the "reports" they gave were LIES, extremely faulty and well worse than the US propaganda machine of today.
Now I'm not arguing with you here, but by the time Japan attacked the US, Britain and Russia were the only European countries not controlled by axis powers, right? And with Russia being communist, England really was the only source of information we were willing to accept about what was happening there. Not because Churcill planned it that way. It was just inevitable.
Sarcasm just doesn't work over the internet.
