(Looked around, and couldn't find a thread that fit the bill. Sorry if I overlooked one.)
I'm getting pretty tired of the "tragedy" genre tag.

It's a major spoiler for every tragedy manga put up on Manga-Updates. I don't have anything against tragedies (actually I like them), I just don't want to KNOW that they're tragedies before I've actually read them. Pretty often, you can predict the ending, if you just know that it's a tragedy. It's so frustrating!

Yes, I know that I can hide the categories (this, I've already done), and this isn't what I'm talking about. It's the genre tags.

I'd like to suggest that you either remove the tragedy genre tag completely (but I doubt you'll agree with me), since it is already visible in the category tags, or make a "hide/show tragedy genre tags" feature in the user cp. This way people who don't like tragedies can still avoid them, and people who don't want to be spoiled can avoid it.

... Or whatever suggestion that can solve this problem, without people having to fix their eyes on the left side of the description page, to avoid tragedy spoilers.

Looking forward to some feedback. 🙂

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I'd like to suggest that you either remove the tragedy genre tag completely

I completely agree with you. I see no reason to use that "genre" other than to spoil the story.

For a work to be tragic, it need not have a tragic ending. For example, a tragic story might have the character's entire life be terrible hardships, but he eventually overcomes them and emerges with a happy ending. But since it's overall quite depressing, it's a tragedy.

The tragedy tag just means that the overall story is tragic, and I don't see why that's a spoiler. Might as well hide the ecchi tags so we don't get spoiled that we'll be reading ecchi.

If you want to avoid tragedy altogether, go to the Release Filtering in your User CP.

Well I am sure maximum users(myself included) will be against it. As mentioned in above post,it really doesnt mean tragic ending all the time.
It actually helps users to select the work they like. Well many dont like tragadies/sad happenings and hence the presence of tragedy tag helps them to avoid that work and vice-versa.

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Well I am sure maximum users(myself included) will be against it.

Yup. Me too. Tragedy is the main tag I like to be warned about ahead of time.

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If you want to avoid tragedy altogether, go to the Release Filtering in your User CP.

Uh? Did you read the whole post? I repeat:

Quote from Oriolidae

I don't have anything against tragedies (actually I like them), I just don't want to KNOW that they're tragedies before I've actually read them. Pretty often, you can predict the ending, if you just know that it's a tragedy. It's so frustrating!

I don't want to avoid tragedies, I just want to be surprised by the tragedy.

By this:

Quote from Oriolidae

or make a "hide/show tragedy genre tags" feature in the user cp.

I meant that it would be a nice feature, if you could choose to hide the spoiler-tag "tragedy" (via user cp), not avoid it all together. Right now you can hide the categories, since they often contain spoilers, and I think the tragedy tag should have the same option.

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For a work to be tragic, it need not have a tragic ending. For example, a tragic story might have the character's entire life be terrible hardships, but he eventually overcomes them and emerges with a happy ending.

In the genres tab on this site, Tragedy is characterized: "Contains events resulting in great loss and misfortune." and no matter if the great loss/misfortune comes in the middle or in the end, I find it a major spoiler to the plot, incomparable with tags as romance, ecchi or any other genre tag.
It's the most annoying when you're going to read a long series, since the tragedy will most often appear at the end. Recently read Banana Fish, and the tragedy tag irritated me the whole way through, because I half-predicted the end because of it! You don't get TRULY surprised reading a tragedy manga if you know it's termed tragedy!

I totally agree with "Oriolidae"

Quote from Oriolidae

I don't have anything against tragedies (actually I like them), I just don't want to KNOW that they're tragedies before I've actually read them. Pretty often, you can predict the ending, if you just know that it's a tragedy. It's so frustrating!

I don't want to avoid tragedies, I just want to be surprised by the tragedy.

Quote from Oriolidae

In the genres tab on this site, Tragedy is characterized: "Contains events resulting in great loss and misfortune." and no matter if the great loss/misfortune comes in the middle or in the end, I find it a major spoiler to the plot, incomparable with tags as romance, ecchi or any other genre tag.
It's the most annoying when you're going to read a long series, since the tragedy will most often appear at the end. Recently read Banana Fish, and the tragedy tag irritated me the whole way through, because I half-predicted the end because of it! You don't get TRULY surprised reading a tragedy manga if you know it's termed tragedy!

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hm I see your point but two things on this matter:
1st: this smells complicated, I don't think it's that easy to make this, because you'd need things like a new section for user cp, and direct control over the information on a series - I don't know how it's handled here, but I think each manga has it's own data with no direct filter when you are on that page (with exception of categories ofc) - in addition you'd need to implement the same for genre search and all sorts of lists of manga in general... I guess that would just be too much work...

2nd: this

For a work to be tragic, it need not have a tragic ending. For example, a tragic story might have the character's entire life be terrible hardships, but he eventually overcomes them and emerges with a happy ending. But since it's overall quite depressing, it's a tragedy.

what you saide here:

if the great loss/misfortune comes in the middle or in the end, I find it a major spoiler to the plot, incomparable with tags as romance, ecchi or any other genre tag. so in the beginning is ok? where do you draw the line? I agree with ecchi, but there are a bunch of series with no indication of romance from the begnning to middle at all, so is romance genre a spoiler? If you take this into account, all categories (as you said) and almost every genre are spoilers, and sometimes even the summaries - there would be no end to it... so you'd have to make this possible for every single thing? this brings you right back to point 1...

the system currently works just fine, sure there could always be another feature, to make things slightly better, but is it worth the effort?

Well I am sure maximum users(myself included) will be against it. I wouldn't go that far, but I'd say the majority would'nt be actively for it...

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While I do understand what you are trying to point out with your suggestion...

You don't get TRULY surprised reading a tragedy manga if you know it's termed tragedy!

Sorry, but this statement is subjective at best. A good example is Cross Game.

It's labeled "tragedy," alright. But I never expected that the tragedy would happen in the first episode of a four-coul series (or 50 episodes for the unfamiliar). In the manga the tragedy happens at the end of the first volume of a seventeen-volume series.

And besides, a tragedy isn't simply about surprising the reader. More importantly, it's about the emotions generated by the tragic event/s. It's one thing to know that X character will die; it's a totally different matter altogether to know the circumstances surrounding their death.

Take Fate/Zero for example. Any one familiar with Fate/Stay Night would have an idea of Zero's body count before even turning the first page... But they do not how it will progress towards that ending.

Lorska also raises a valid point... how do you implement this? I can't say exactly how, but I do know that you have to begin by giving more importance to tragedy over the other genres. I don't think a system that is biased towards a single genre will sit well with the admins.

I see your point, but the tragedy genre tag doesn't always mean spoilers. I mean, if it's a death of a loved character in the series then I would not say that is a tragedy, unless the story revolves around it. Plus, where you may know something bad will happen with the tag being around, there is still the element of surprise since you don't know who will die or what will happen exactly. This may be a matter of people mistagging and not the tag itself....

I personally enjoy tragedies and do search for them of here, so it would make searching a lot more difficult without it.

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There are mangas that have tragedy tag but has a happy ending. So tragedy genre really doesnt spoil anything.

Example: Cross Game 😃

Now I know this is a very old thread, but since it has already been brought back to life, I'd like to suggest a very simple trick. There are some apps you can easily find (like for example "in my words" for Chrome) that let you change a specified word in every website page with a word of your choice. All you have to do, when you're manga hunting but you don't want to see the Tragedy tag, is to temporarily replace every "Tragedy" with a blank space. This way you'll fool yourself without actually changing anything in the website structure.

My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion

Tragedy is one of the oldest genres there is and it means nothing in itself. This is also a database where categories are the main reason, besides the tracking function.
One could also make a similar "case" against Romance or the "age gates".
Wouldn´t one also need to raise the pitchfork against Horror, which kind of needs a tragedy as a foundation. What a vapid argument.

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Tragedy is one of the oldest genres there is and it means nothing in itself. This is also a database where categories are the main reason, besides the tracking function.
One could also make a similar "case" against Romance or the "age gates".
Wouldn´t one also need to raise t ...

Hmmm, allow me to disagree. I think that if we went to check every manga with the tragedy tag, we'd find out that a high percentage refers strictly to a tragic ending, and often because of at least one of the very main leads dying or something similar. And while not every tragedy-tagged manga has its leads dying in the end, (almost) every manga having its leads dying in the end is tagged as tragedy. None of the other tags is so much related to the ending. Yes, not always, but it's enough to make the reader take the mindset that there won't be a happy ending, sometimes preventing the ending from having the same effect. Is knowing something won't end well detracting from its enjoyment? Not necessarily, of course. Sometimes it works the opposite way, as a charming point. But I do think that, be it relevant or not, the tragedy tag is the most "spoilerish" one.

My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion

Wiki has this quote from the The Cambridge Guide to Theatre as the introductory sentence:

Tragedy is a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences.

Meaning that tragedy is about the journey, not necessary the destination and what does "tragic ending" even mean? What does it "spoil"? How is it defined?
This is a dead topic anyway... and the OP would have again needed to crusade against Horror too. And also Comedy, as it suggests a "happy" ending!

A tragedy about someone getting cancer basically gives away a death though cancer ending. The film 50/50 though had a happy ending. Huh. Such topic specif scopes are also rare in this database and what will the tag give away for broader picture manga as Berserk, Nana or X. The ones that still have no ending.

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