this is what i sometimes hate about the author. he can make naruto seem like a total bad ass like with pain and hidan and like in this chapter he can make him look like a total bitch. For goodness sakes man the fuck up. i understand the reasons for his actions but tone the it it down a bit

I wish naruto would just grow some balls, quit his crying and just kill that loser Sasuke

Sasuke is behaving like a nut case hyped up by revenge and anger, he's such a kid He thinks he's such an independent individual, when he's just being manipulated by Madara. Madara is using Sasuke's child like mind to his own advantage.

And another thing why is Naruto still in love with that worthless, helpless and pathetic girl Sakura She's so selfish and doesn't even notice Naruto, all she cares about is Sasuke, who I doubt even remembers her. It just pisses me off how Naruto forgot Hinata's confession, she endagered herself for him, the least he can do is to acknowledge her feelings

Well this turned into quite the rant

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the raikage is a bitch... if he believed what he was saying, why did he look back at naruto? Doubt.

of course naruto is crying, hes the shinobi that will change the ninja world, the antithesis of every shinobi that naruto has yet to come in contact with. His power is in changing people... he has already started affecting samui, that dred-locked chick, and the raikage.

sasuke will get danzo... but danzo wont die because he is madara... maybe a gaara sasuke rematch... i hope neji fights the raikages squad

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Or it could be the fact that he feels sorry for Naruto or thinks he's pathetic for crying.


That is the worst justification for Naruto acting like a bitch I've read so far. He could still carry out that message of peace and goodwill without crying and willingfully getting beat up for Sasuke. Hell, he did that tons of times in Part I by showing a homicidal maniac like Gaara and a cynic like Neji that they can become better people and overcome all of their hardships if they just work hard enough at it. I understand that Naruto is supposed to be mature and that the old ways he changed people's outlooks on life aren't suitable now, but crying your eyes out and voluntarily getting the shit knocked out of you isn't gonna work with every person he meets. He needs to find a better way to promote peace, because people won't respect him or his opinion if he keeps acting like this. And besides, the only people he affected were Omoi and possibly Karui. Samui looks like she's neutral on the whole matter.


If Danzou is Madara, then why the hell would he send Sasuke to kill himself?

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It seems everybody forgets that in the mind of the writer, all this is happening just a short time after an epic battle, meeting the 4th and finding out he's the son of a hokage, thought Hinata and everybody else was dead, found out there was a true enemy behind everything, realized Sasuke is being a douchebag, got into it with the lightning Shinobi.

Maybe, just maybe he's a little emotionally raw and Kishi is fully counting on his fans to WTF over Naruto crying.

Of course, for the kick as manga this is, I've read an ungodly amount of complaints when to me it's a really decent story.

SuperJude is right. It has only been a few hours in between the fight with Pain and him talking to the Raikage. I'm gonna cut Naruto some slack, because truth be told, I'd probably be doing the same thing Naruto's doing right now (sans crying and letting myself get beat up). But I still think that he needs to
find a better way to promote peace, because this way isn't gonna cut it for long.

And even though it's a decent manga, that's just it: it's decent. Not good, not great, just decent. It has a ton of flaws and a ton of fridge logic, so you can't really blame people when they call Kishimoto on his shit when he screws up.



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the whole manga is about change. not naruto changing to fit the shinobi world, but naruto changing the shinobi world to fit him. like naruto said about himself, he's not a very good ninja, and like kakashi said in this chapter he's not really good at this... it's just trial and error for naruto.

its pretty clear sasuke can't kill madara so you're point about madara sending sasuke to kill madara is moot.. lets call it a plot device and see what happens.

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And since he knows he's not a very good ninja, that means that he needs to change and learn how to becomer stronger as a person and learn how to achieve peace through other means that'll make people respect him and agree with his ways instead of making people feel sorry for him or having them think that he's a pathetic excuse for a ninja. Do you seriously think that everyone in the world of Naruto will bend to Naruto's will if he keeps acting weak like this?


silent killer was right, you do fail at common sense. How in any way does Sasuke not being able to kill Madara make my point moot? I asked why would Madara send Sasuke to kill Danzou if they're the same person? Personally, I think they're two entirely different people, but on the off chance they are one and the same, what sense would that make to send someone to assassinate yourself?

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lol tht was funny lol...lol ur so rite, it dont make any sense to order a kill on yourself, unless ur really dumb, or mangaka is jus plain stupid lol....tht made my day lol...

and i also agree tht naruto is jus acting really gay rite now wit this cryin and gettin beat up jus for sasuke...also he is jus weak rite now...he gotta change, and change soon too....o other thing is that, if he is suppose to be older and mature than lettin other ppl to beat u up for some1 else is not a mature thing to do...it would hav been better if he talk or something, even tho tht wouldnt work....but still cryin and beggin and lettin other beat u up is not tht mature...i think its jus childess...but thts mee

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its moot because he's not sending anyone to kill himself, he knows sasuke can't kill him, but perhaps something can be acheived by having sasuke at this meeting. sasuke is a hard guy to use being single minded and all.

i guess we have two separate opinions about the point of the manga. As i see it, since the 3rd hokage konoha has been all about peaceful means, each hokage more benovolent and carefree than the last.. you seem to be more of the danzo type though.

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Well I hope you're right with your assumption because if you aren't, I'm just gonna say I told you so.


I have NO idea how you got to the conclusion that I seem like the Danzou type just because I think Naruto needs to man up. What I've been typing this whole time was that Naruto won't be able to get anyone to listen to his message of peace and win them over if he keeps acting the way he's been acting lately. You can send a message of peace and try to get everyone to stop wars without crying and getting beat up for your friends' sake. He needs to get stronger and show people that he's a person that they should respect instead of feel pity and/or disgust for. A good example is Rock from Black Lagoon. Even though he has no skills with pretty much everything, he can still convince people and win them over with words because in his words it shows that he's confident and that he believes in what he says no matter what. He's gotten some of the craziest and most violent people in the Black Lagoon world to listen and agree with him because of those very reasons. If we ever saw Rock acting like how Naruto acts now, you can be for damn sure that he'd be dead. That is exactly how Naruto needs to be: a strong-willed individual that believes in what he says and shows people in a confident and inspiring manner that his way is the right way.


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Yeah dude, I totally agree. Essentially we get 10 good chapters for every 100. Those other 90 can have some decent fights, plot advancement but ultimately they are all just build up for the good 10 (or so) chapters.

Also, nobody writes a plot letdown like Kishi. Every amazing set of chapters is followed by WTF?!?!?!