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You better put some reliable and trustful sources to support that argument because in almost every English site I see it says that "shounen" is manga aimed at boys and "seinen" is manga aimed at young adults. Who knows, perhaps I can't read English correctly and I'm confusing some words or something.

I see I was being a little unclear, while the general meaning of shounen and seinen are the same in enlish, what I meant was more that the way people label something manga shounen or seinen is different, so the words are used in different ways in.
The argument taking place in this topic already proves that not everyone agrees on the same definition of the terms though.

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IMO I hate it when a manga is labelled something just because it's published in a certain magazine. I prefer to just look at the content.

That's the way it is, it can't be helped.

Sure it can. You can choose not to do it yourself. 🙂

IMO when people on this site look at the genre of a manga they want to know what the content of the manga is like, not who it's been marketed to in Japan.

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The argument taking place in this topic already proves that not everyone agrees on the same definition of the terms though.

There is no need to go that far, since the very fact that I had to start a thread to clarify this point shows that there are people who do not agree with me (But that really doesn't prove anything important...only that there are different points of view, I believe).

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I see I was being a little unclear, while the general meaning of shounen and seinen are the same in enlish, what I meant was more that the way people label something manga shounen or seinen is different, so the words are used in different ways in.

This has become a vicious circle:
I opened this thread to explain why this manga has to be labeled as shounen, then some people said that there is unthinkable to mark it as shounen because is too complex, mature and violent to be aimed at teenagers. Then, I explained that "Seinen" and "Shounen" aren't descriptive genres, but demographic profiles defined by which age and genre audience the manga is marketed for. And again, some people said that I was wrong because we must follow the American guidelines since this site is an English speaking one.
Then, It was argued that If we were to use that classification system we should drop the whole seinen/shounen issue, since it's a Japanese classification.
Then again, some people affirmed that it wasn't necessary, since "shounen" and "seinen" have different meanings in Japan and the English speaking world. Then again, it was argued that it wasn't the case, as all the reliable sources show us that "shounen" and "seinen" are used the same way in both English and Japanese.

And now you're here arguing that "even though shounen and seinen have the same "general" meaning people label it differently". Of course they label differently, because they don't accept that a manga as violent and shocking as this should be labeled as shounen: the very same reason that obligate me to open this thread.

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Sure it can. You can choose not to do it yourself. 🙂

Not if we want an accurate and faithful description.

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IMO when people on this site look at the genre of a manga they want to know what the content of the manga is like, not who it's been marketed to in Japan.

That's why the Adult and Mature label exist. "Shounen" and "seinen" labels only show us at which audience the manga is aimed at while descriptive genres like the ones I cited before describe us the content of the manga itself. If you don't want to know at who the manga is marketed at, only ignore the demographic genres: as simple as that.

And it seems that as much as I explain this over and over again there will always be people who will not agree with me, not because they don't agree with the current system nor because they think that the terms have different meanings; but simply because the idea of a manga of this kind being targeted at teenagers is disturbing, inconceivable and incorrect according to the values and morals of the western society.

So, since people still changed this manga's genre back to seinen regardless of what I said (In fact, is like the more I explain why it shouldn't be labeled as such, the more encouraged they become to do so) it looks like there is nothing left to me to do here (Since it's clear that this issue only can be clarified or resolved by means others than those tried here).

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OK, since this genre issue has been going out of hand. We decided to lock the MPD's genre from users updates.
Any update to the genre will need to be filled as request and approved by a site admin first. This should solve it.
And MPD is a Shounen manga right now, and should stay that way. The genres are decided by the publication. At least that is the policy we would like to use for now.

And I locked the thread while I was at it... It is pointless to argue over MPD anymore.

This is now in the magazine Comic Charge...which is a seinen one apparently...so how do you guys feel about a genre change?

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although its related to the users age, i dont make does kind of diferrencs, im 20 and i enjoy shonen like naruto bleach and others. ive also enjoy sheinen before i was 18

normally for me, shonen is a more unrealistic manga like naruto, its still cool to read, and every characters actions are explained, but if you actually put real people in that world, in the same situation and "personality" they wouldnt act the same.

it doesnt have to have violence to be shonen, it just needs realistic character develpment and action, wether its a fantasy story or something happening in our current world.

shonen and seinei have probably been diferentiated due to age restrictions, but from all shonen and seinen I've read, this is the way i can imidiatly tell if im reading a shonen or seinen

the only series i've read that made more undecided was death note, but i still think its more to the shonen side.

but i havent read MDP, so i cant talk about that one lol

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Well I've always considered it seinen but I have to admit neofirehawk made his point and it is really hard to find anything against it 😉 But now it is published in a seinen magazine I think there is nothing to be said against labeling it seinen.

I think to there should be separate field for demographic and genre. Wikipedia handles manga this way. Sorry if this is completely off the point. In my opinion MPD Psycho is a shounen.

Please look at the date of the last post. The series has moved from a shounen magazine to a seinen magazine in August 2007.

Regarding your suggestion to divide genre and demographic on the series entry page (which I support as well): I think there was a thread with the same recommendation in the suggestions forum. You may want to bump it.

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nope, MPD is seinen. It contains explicit contents and is suitable for 18 and up. Which is for seinen (18-24)

Shounen is like for teenagers 6 to 17.

Shounen is like Naruto, I KNOW you don't think naruto and MPD are the same genre............

Woah...way to shut off your brain, miss what he was trying to say in his post, and spit out nonsense.

Anyways, seinen or shonen, it depends on the magazine, not what we find to be appropriate for whatever age. Know this.

This is not up for debate.

It stays seinen.

A just ruler amongst tyrants