So my religion teacher made us watch a movie on 'honor killing'. Pretty much woman in the middle east are killed because they refuse to marry the one the parents have chosen for them, so they kill them. Also if a woman is raped, they kill her since its apparently her fault.

Anyways today she mentions abit about woman in china, and how your only aloud to have one child. If a woman gets pregnant again she has to get a abortion. Some woman keep the baby in secret and then give it to the orphanage, that in her preservative she says is like a concentration camp.

I'm wondering a few things
1. If any woman on baka updates or men from china, can tell me a bit more about this, or their own experience.
2. I'm a woman, and i feel like the world is a terrible place.. someone lighten my mood?

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well im not from china but im from middle east .. well some families do kill their daughters in the name of relegion if they have sex outside marriage but this action is not accepted by relegion and its is consedered as murder. but this actions are starting to decrease by time and in my country its not common they usually make them get married. hmm i hope that i was a help

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It's not always true:

In China, if you have a second child they don't make you abort it. You just need to pay a fine. If fact, if you live in an extremely rural place, they won't even fine you and the government doesn't care. A few of my mom's friends want 2 kids, so they're willing to pay that fine for a second child. You can also have a second child if you divorce and re-marry another person. They don't fine you for that either. Parents in China put their babies in orphanages because they don't want to pay that fine or they'd rather have a boy to carry on the family name.

It's not that harsh... Plus, they're lifting that ban... Your religion teacher is really misinformed and that's really old news. Most of the people I've met in China are really against abortion too. They'd rather pay a fine than abort their child.

I'm not from China, but I have family friends and family there and I go there every year...

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Im not from China, but this is not a religious issue, If my knowledge is correct this is a law because of the overpopulation of China, there is not enough supplies for them if the birth rate goes over a limit.
The "honor killing" is something that i cant even imagine, their is not a single thing that more important and precious than family, not even god (im not a beliver) or my life. They are a bunch of fools and fanatics, not worth of mention them.

She also told us that if they find out its a girl, the will more likely abort it because they want a male.

She said that the orphanage doesn't take care of the kids, they give them barley what they need to survive


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If they don't have money, then they'll pay back through community service, get a loan, or put the child in an orphanage. It's not that expensive a fine; it's cheap enough that an average household can afford it. Abortion is sometimes more expensive than the fine.

There are cases of abortion because they want a male child. That also happens as often in other countries as in China. Actually, more Chinese families now prefer to have a girl and the government encourages parents to have girls instead of boys because of the shortage of females in China in the recent years. I think they give the family benefits or something if they have a daughter, but I'm not really sure about that.

Yes they don't usually give kids that good of food, but it depends on the orphanage and how much money the orphanage has. Some are prosperous and can afford better food for the children while others don't have the funding to. But like I said, it really depends on the orphanage. If they're financially supported by a large scale company or group [such as religious groups], the kids tend to be better taken care of. My church supports a lot of orphanages in China [in addition to orphanages in other places] and the kids in those orphanages are very well nourished and taken care of. I have friends who volunteered in those orphanages and they said the kids were very healthy and lively. But I have friends who were adopted from poor, rural orphanages in China too. They said that they remembered that they weren't given enough food and clothing.

Edit: I looked up more details on this matter. Like Japan, some places in China, such as Shanghai, are promoting parents to have 2 kids because of the shortage of kids due to stress and restrictions from work. [I got this from The Telegraph, you can look up that article.] More commonly married couples won't want kids because they don't have time to take care of them.

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My aunt adopted two such 'abandoned' girls from China. Not sure if their orphanage was like a concentration camp or whatever, but they're doing pretty well now either way.

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I'm not from China, and don't really follow politics or religious debates on this subject. Since I'm not really informed, I would, if I may, ask some questions in return for you to think on:

Before making any judgements on other people, cultures, or countries, think the 'what would I do' question.
You are in a position of leadership, be it head of a family, community or nation. The people in your care are starving - there is a shortage of food and luxuries*.
Due to improvement of medicine people are starting to live longer and healthier lives (number of stillborns is going down).
Note that no matter what decision you make, some won't agree and others may even be horrified... The more people, the more problematic any change -- In the past, killing a child with i.e. a bad leg would have been considered a mercy and even normal, if this 'rule' is ingrained in a culture, it's hard to get rid off.
Sure, some practices may seem barbaric (especially if you're from another culture or hold different values), and some can't be talked right... But I believe the most important thing to understanding how something works and how to improve upon it, is to understand why it is how it is.

I can go on and on about this, but it's beside the point. The thing is, don't be horrified with how things are, start wondering why and if it's improving or worsening.
Also, take a look at how things are in the country or culture you live in, chances are you'll find just as many things you don't like as in many 'developing' countries.

* Luxuries is anything other than the bare essentials. Think medicine, clothes, or even something as common (to most westerners) as meat.

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I agree with everyone else that it's one of those "survival of the fittest" type of thing. You can't really do anything about it since this used to be the only way for a country or group of people to survive.

If I were in a situation like that, I would rather die than live in a decrepit place where everyone is suffering. ): [quality >quantity] And if my death can bring other people benefits, then I wouldn't mind dying.

For most people it's not as gruesome as the movie made out to be. Yes, you do need to pay a fine, but if you think logically, that's only to reduce the overpopulation in China. There's really not a better method, and even this will take maybe even a century to have it really make a difference.
I'll explain more later.

I'm from China btw.

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If both parents are the only child in their family, they are allowed to have two.

China will probably start changing its policies in the future.

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Women like to whine alot.

things are bad for men in most parts of the world. worse in 'educated' places in the world.

I don't know if it will make you feel better but your religious teacher is purposefully feeding you slanted information to make you feel like crap. Playing with your emotions to make you acchieve a predicted end conclusion.

Lots of arab women are happy with the way their life is, it in practice is generally no more different than a school dress code.

yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?

Yeah its a bit pre-historic with penalties of rape and stoning for women misbehaving. But its pre-established, the men can't drink and its hot as hell. Not a nice place, people don't think straight in the heat, so they have rules, which they obey. and have had for thousands of years. they work. quit complaining, They aren't particularly complaining, beyond the typical female complaining without the need to have anything changed.

If you want to compare to christians, christians do some pretty shitty things to people too. Whole lot of rules telling you who not to fuck, told to you buy priests who are breaking those rules fucking little altar boys. and a good number of the altar boys enjoy it, consentual sex, kids were gay, made them not feel like monsters, but its a whole societal engine.

The long story is you must not judge, especially people's sexual practices, because its morally wrong to oppose love.

China, China is a different place, Too many people, quality of life is laughable because of that. But they'll come out of it on their own in about a generation or 2 once they work things out.

rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.

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I'm wondering, "Lots of arab women are happy with the way their life is", is this because of indoctrination (and don't know better) or do they truly think such?
I'm not making any judgements, and if they are fine with it I see no real problems.
The question is, what happens to those that are not fine with it?
Then again, all we can really do is show others what can be and inform them of the consequences, after that. let them make their own choices. Interfering in the business of others (when not asked to) can only lead to worse results.

Euhm, please refrain from mentioning religion... Any argument containing religion or religious believes can only turn ugly (usually quite soon).
It's already established no religion is perfect, and in a way, they are all the same... Note that religion is not the same as faith.

"because its morally wrong to oppose love."
That is one opinion, don't be surprised if not everyone agrees with you. Moral is something personal, whilst people can share certain morals, chances are they are only few. Because, who are you to decide what someone else should consider as right or wrong (and when looking at a group from the outside, who's version of 'morality' is representative)



Hear hear.
Then again, it's not always that simple. And definitely not something you can generalise.

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Depends on the understanding/definition of fault my friend.