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What is Reality (are you real)??

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Post #263299 - Reply To (#263294) by xtr3m3dude
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16 years ago
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Quote from xtr3m3dude

Quote from tsuto

I think his ashes screams everytime someone says "I think, therefore I am" 🤣

Was he even cremated?

I don't think so, but it sounds better than the other variants 🤣


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Really I don't care much of what is real and what isn't.
I belive in sience and my senses, but they can be tricked.

"I drink, therefore I am"

reality is like a chain. the chain is connected to chains of other people but the chains can be broken and some of the links on the chain can be linked to only one person.

couldn't describe it better. hope you understood my view.

PS. Descartes was buried in a church in Paris.
also, i think that during his time cremation wasn't so popular.


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Since "real" and "reality" are concepts invented by humans for humans, they're, to each of us, whatever we define them as. The world doesn't need to be "real" or not; it just is. It's us humans who need to tag things, or to put them in our own terms (or bring them into our range of understanding, so to speak).

So, this way, even an illusion can be real. The person is actually experiencing it, so, to them, it is there.

Or, I guess, something to this extent is what I think. xD


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I'm going to have to take a page from chaos;head and say that the only way to ensure your reality is by existing in other people's eyes (mind?)
I mean, yeah, you can feel yourself exist, but what if you're made up; a delusion of some guy in a coma, or a schizophrenic? Then your consciousness would be a part someone else's consciousness.
Doesn't anyone ever wonder if they're a side character in someone else's dream?


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16 years ago
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I am real because I have a soul, which scientists will never be able to make one, and because I feel pain when inflicted. .__.


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Many of you said that have a conscious ("fell real", "think, therefore your real or exist", "beer" 😛 and so on)...I agree with you that we all have a consciousness, but can we all say that we all are in the same reality?

I believe that without any stimuli we aren't able to think and (after many thoughts) we can assume that the existence of a conscious.

So I have 2 main problems

what is a conscious made of?(beside souls... i want a really good argument about this without involving religion or spiritualism)
are stimuli makes us what we are? (in my opinion, i believe that they do)

"think, therefore i exist" VS "Exist, therefore i think"


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So I have 2 main problems

what is a conscious made of?(beside souls... i want a really good argument about this without involving religion or spiritualism)
are stimuli makes us what we are? (in my opinion, i believe that they do)

"think, therefore i exist" VS "Exist, therefore i think"

Problem number one would be
if there even is such a thing as
consciousness or will we abandon
the term just like witches and elves
when science develops?

First you'd need to prove
eliminative materialism wrong.


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The term consciousness is so attached in all culture so i dont believe with will be ever be rejected. Perhaps could be something more than the term is... or not. Dont have any evidence about that.

True, it is hard to prove things about this subject.

Are you against materialism? Frankly i think that some things outside our minds are relevant for making what we are, but i dont discharge the existence of innerself and the need of instrospection to define what we are.


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I am a materialist to the core.
That still doesn't mean I am fundamental
and obnoxious with my ideals.
I don't deny fallibilism.


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fufufufufufu...

what a nice topic...are you a philosopher or something of that sort??

ahmmm...as for me..i believe that im real but sometimes i think that perhaps this world is just a play world and somebody else is controlling it and they are also being controlled by aother people and then they have a creator who have also been created by another creator or something like that...a box inside a box inside a box~infinity boxes...

or sometimes...i also think that perhaps im the only human in this planet.....cause i dont know what the other people are...

i never doubted about my being but i have doubted others... 😐


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I voted that I consider myself to be real...However, I don't necessarily exist in everyone's reality/life.


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IMO, we can't be any more "real" than what our "censors" (eyes, ears...) could detect and what our human brain can perceive. Human are prisoners of their own mind...

Of course human brain can dream/ imagine /think out side of the box but then how can we tell all those stuff are "real" or just another layer of illusion.

I mean human with the help of science & technology are trying to eliminate the the noise & reducing the loss of signal received from the world outside through our imperfect censors. Human brain will evolve, but can it eliminate all those traits that define human in order to perceive something higher than human's "realness" level ?

IMO, as hard as we could do, it's almost impossible to reach the ultimate "realness" (...& no way to know if we're really @ it)

And yeah, since human love to inject "meaning" in everything in their world, it gonna be huge obstacles waiting when human try to add meaning to a bigger and more-real world outside of their small box...


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A human being, or any other sentient or semi-sentient being is for all intents and purposes nothing but a system of lenses, mirrors and candles.

What we are is but a warped reflection of what we see around us.
A really strong influence is like a strong light, and if the lenses and mirrors are properly aligned, it lights one of the candles.

If a human being were trapped in a place where none of his senser registred anything, his candles would soon burn out, and he would be nothing.


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or sometimes...i also think that perhaps im the only human in this planet.....cause i dont know what the other people are...

i never doubted about my being but i have doubted others... 😐

Lol. I used to think this when I was a really little kid (not to insult you or anything). I thought everyone else was some kind of robot.


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my soul is inside this borrowed body, i'll be here for the period that this body is able to last.....please take care of my bows


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