Why do yaoi fangirls pair heterosexual characters together?
16 years ago
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ok but in the end, with all the afterthoughts, the insight and the metaphores you want to pull out of it, a yaoi-something is always a gay relationship (sentimental->sexual relationship between two men), or not?
If you define it as sentimental->sexual relationship between what appears to be two men, then yes.
In yaoi the bottom is almost always shorter and cuter and are more effeminated and he tends to analyze and angst over his emotions and worry about cooking and valentine presents, while gay guys at the end of the day are well.. guys. There are exceptions here and there, but the general rule is that usually the characters are just the idealized forms of the prince in shiny armour and the cute flowery pot so many romantic manga tend to have (mind you, there is nothing wrong with that).
16 years ago
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In yaoi the bottom is almost always shorter and cuter and are more effeminated and he tends to analyze and angst over his emotions and worry about cooking and valentine presents, while gay guys at the end of the day are well.. guys. There are exceptions here and there, but the general rule is that usually the characters are just the idealized forms of the prince in shiny armour and the cute flowery pot so many romantic manga tend to have (mind you, there is nothing wrong with that).
That's exactly why I am disappointed at a lot of yaoi. I want yaoi with guys acting like guys (I am female and not looking for the so-called ideal heterosexual relationships in yaoi). Not all yaoi fangirls want the same thing. And I am not interested in most doujinshi either as they usually have crappy plots and drawing styles. Buy hey, as we are reading Japanses products we have to accept their culture. What you said is probably what Japanese straight women want. Their society made them become like that. I can't blame them.
But I guess that's also why fangirls pair the guys in non-BL manga/anime together because they want two real (and hot) guys instead of those playing the role of women in many yaoi manga? The amount of yaoi doujinshi is nothing compared to that of hentai/yuri ones.
Mind you there are also many men who proclaim their love for yuri and lesbian porn to the entire world, whether we want to hear it or not. They appear already enough in mainstream media. That's gross. Today's society and many guy seem to take it as normal that's why they don't pay attention as much as they do to yaoi fangirls.
16 years ago
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What you said is probably what Japanese straight women want.
I'd happily agree that it's Japane-only phenomenon and blame it on highly misogynistic culture or something similar, but you can't deny that titles such as Viewfinder, Okane ga Nai and Junjou Romantica are pretty popular among non-japanese audience and that's just scratching the surface.
16 years ago
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What you said is probably what Japanese straight women want.
I'd happily agree that it's Japane-only phenomenon and blame it on highly misogynistic culture or something similar, but you can't deny that titles such as Viewfinder, Okane ga Nai and Junjou Romantica are pretty popular among non-japanese audience and that's just scratching the surface.
Viewfinder is OK. Junjou's plot really doesn't make any sense to me and I can't find anything interesting in it (too fake to be touching or something). Damn, the notion of prince in shining armor is so immature and corny, but I guess the Japanese like corny stuff. Maybe it's popular because it has an anime and is just longer than many titles? I guess Okane ga Nai is for those who have had enough of Osakabe Mashin and Shinjo Mayu and want something different (is it really that different?)? You can pretty much guess what kind of readers Okane ga Nai has.
16 years ago
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@grandexeno They do, they are just not as vocal about it in public, which brings us to the matter of public opinion you are mentioning. It's sad that guys feel that they need to hide their sexual fascination with 2d characters, but that's in no way fault of the yaoi fangirls, it's just the general prudish public opinion that makes it so.
Indeed TT _ TT
And while we are derailing, I've always wondered if guys freak out over yaoi
a) because it suppose to be about gays (it's not, but whatever)
b) because girls take interest in sex, instead of assuming the socially accepted "sexually pure" role.
c) because girls openly admit their interest in sex, while guys feel that they can't do the same.
Eeeh...for me it's more like...how they all look. All bishie-like and the facial expressions etc. etc. I don't even need to get to the sex part, just that alone is enough to make me cringe.
16 years ago
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I agree on this point. Although, I am not a yaoi or yuri fan and rarely ever read mangas that have any homosexual pairings (no matter how vague), I have not right to say someone can't read it. I would prefer that a 30 year old woman read yaoi than some 14 or 15 year old girl. It is something that anyone over 18 should read. The same goes for hentai. Who says manga has an upper age limit.
Back to the original question, I have often wished for other pairings in mangas that didn't happen. Same goes for any yaoi fan, we all can be left unhappy about how things did or did not turn out. That said, there is a schocking amount of dj yaoi streaming out. The KH thing is weird though.
i totally forgot what i was going to say but first of all i never anticipated that my question would cause such a commotion, wow. This is all getting a little sexist now , first of all, because we don't live in the 50s anymore so its acceptable for women watch porn and whatnot, but some people still hold onto old fashioned notions that men should be more into porn than women....and the stupid stereotype that teenage boys download tons of porn from the internet while girls should just go pose for slutty pics and post them in myspace because they crave sexual attention . this all just seems so close-minded. Peopel like different things, i have nothing agaist anyone here. It seemed to me that some of these pairing were crossing a moral line...and not just manga either, the media is chock full of perversions because they fascinate us.. Its a part of culture...but sometimes moral boundaries get crossed and it offends peopel which inevitably leads to arguments...
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This is an issue I had pointed out earlier, I especially cringed when so many of my fave shounens like Gintama and Naruto have such a huge amount of quickly translated Yaoi djs!! Not to criticize what people like, but for one who likes to see straight guys as straight especially guys I think are kick-ass types, this makes their image a bit blurry to me 😢 or even ridiculous at times ...not even sure that made sense in the way I wanted it to....but I understand that this sentiment is further encouraged by real live J and K celebrities...with cross dressing and what not-fan service ..so I guess its like majority do like this kind of thing...you would not believe the craze the live Korean movie version of Antique Bakery is kicking up, and there are kiss scenes too!! But I guess thats off topic...
16 years ago
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Why do yaoi fangirls pair heterosexual characters together?
This is an odd question @_@
Mm... I don't really see a difference between pairing two male heterosexual characters and pairing a heterosexual male and female together in fan-work (was that a really long sentence?). It's just pairing two characters together that the fan thinks would be cute ^_^
And hehe, I see nothing wrong with fan-work that involves pairings like that ^_^. It's okay to have a fantasy! o_o
Wait why are we talking about ethics of yaoi again?
16 years ago
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but for one who likes to see straight guys as straight especially guys I think are kick-ass types, this makes their image a bit blurry to me
And why exactly people can't be gay and kick-ass types?
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you would not believe the craze the live Korean movie version of Antique Bakery is kicking up, and there are kiss scenes too!! But I guess thats off topic...
There is brief implied sex scene in the manga as well (which doesn't makes it a yaoi btw), not to mention two volumes of doujinshi full of sex by the author herself, because she wanted to progress the story the way she liked it, without having the editor breathing on her neck, so a kissing scene is nothing, really.
16 years ago
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The same reason why yuri fans try and pair heterosexual characters together.
They want to believe it can happen, and because they think it's hot.
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16 years ago
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Also...where exactly did you see a 15 year old jerking off? o.O (No, really, it's quite suspicious)
If you were to make a thread about how seeing "a 15 years old guy is jerking off to some tentacle rape scene in a Loli manga." makes you feel absolutely gross, people would drop in and agree with you! (I mean...who wouldn't feel grossed out seeing a guy jerking off? aged 15 and no less >_> 😉
A little off topic but if the 15 yo guy was a hot bishounen and the tentacle loli manga made him jerk off, I'd show him that and make him jerk off for me to watch (could be a good plot for a hentai/shotacon manga)! 🤣 The only difference between watching hot guys jerking off in yaoi manga and a single hot guy jerking off is the number involved. 😁
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And why exactly people can't be gay and kick-ass types?
True they can be ...in RL.. but the requirement of the so called seme and uke itself is the place where the image fails...
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There is brief implied sex scene in the manga as well (which doesn't makes it a yaoi btw), not to mention two volumes of doujinshi full of sex by the author herself, because she wanted to progress the story the way she liked it, without having the editor breathing on her neck, so a kissing scene is nothing, really.
I didnt mention it as a yaoi, I mentioned that movie as i wanted to point out that even heterosexual celebrities and actors and also the entertainment industry are quite comfortable with this notion and encourage the BL fan craze which is why it isnt odd for fans to "hook up" their fave male manga characters together.. For example :- Kamenashi-Yamapi-Akanishi trio or duo,however u like to pair them, Yoon Ho & Jae Joong of DBSK/TVXQ/DBSG/Dong Bang Shin Ki
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The same reason why yuri fans try and pair heterosexual characters together.
They want to believe it can happen, and because they think it's hot.
I am a yuri/shoujo ai fan but I never "hooked up" het female characters- to me it seems like a desperate impossible n often ridiculous wish ....however, i have seen fanfics do such...
