albinism can not be helped. You can't choose to be colorless. But you can choose to either have a gay lover or not.

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Well, biologically, homosexuality is out of the norm.

And that has to do what with same sex marriage?

If you have been paying more attention to the discussion, NIQ, you would've notice that we have started a discussion of why Homosexuality is considered bad by some people.

Wikipedia contains facts that are unsafe to use in a REAL discussion. Let's see what your professor give you if you cite your source from Wikipedia. Pertaining to the sexuality of Da Vinci. I find it heard to believe that any historian would say "I am absolutely sure Da Vinci is Gay. We have good amount of evidence that he is. We have videos indicating his private habits." I don't think so!

Until you can provide good evidence that Da vinci is gay, then this little discussion about Da vinci's sexuality ends here. Same principle with innocent until proven guilty. Straight until proven Gay.

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Wikipedia contains facts that are unsafe to use in a REAL discussion. Let's see what your professor give you if you cite your source from Wikipedia. Pertaining to the sexuality of Da Vinci. I find it heard to believe that any historian would say "I am absolutely sure Da Vinci is Gay. We have good amount of evidence that he is. We have videos indicating his private habits." I don't think so!

Well this is absolutely true since 1. Wikipedia is subject to bias and opinion since it can be contributed to by anyone who is a member even if they know nothing about the subject. and 2. There is no conclusive evidence to show that Da Vinci was gay and until there is, which won't happen most likely, anyone who says this as fact is just partaking in slander.

About wikipedia: there are so many articles do you think that they go through everything and fact check everything that users put up. If they do I am truly sorry for their poor asses.

My short opinion - yes, marriage between same-sex individuals should be legal.

As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not that uncommon. Its not a concious decision (as most animals don't have capacity to reason - or is this a topic for debate?) on their part, but the behavior is natural. It could be simply mechanisms for dominance or social heirarchy or response to some chemical stimulus. Heck, sometimes when one of our cows goes into heat (I live on a small farm) the more dominant females will mount her as if to mate. Of course only the bull can breed her, but its still two females engaging in sexual behavior.
I think I remember even reading about a species of lizard in the US west that is all female and reproduces by parthenogenesis, part of which includes female-female sexual behavior.

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Well, biologically, homosexuality is out of the norm.

And that has to do what with same sex marriage?

If you have been paying more attention to the discussion, NIQ, you would've notice that we have started a discussion of why Homosexuality is considered bad by some people.

My bad, had only skimmed through the thread and hadn't read everything. Carry on

I am going to say almost exactly what I said when I had to answer a question about this on my philosophy exam: Even though I believe that it is wrong to have same sex marriage it does not give me the right to criticize them for their choice.

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As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not uncommon

True, hell according to one of my professors ancient greek men would have sex with boys for pleasure and women for procreation. This was the norm in their society however it didn't mean that all men, for pleasure purposes, would have sex with boys, but I believe that female prostitutes were popular as well.

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I made the vow of silence today, 7:45-400 (lol I can't believe I didn't talk for that long..)
Did anyone else do it?
This has less to do with marraige though &more to do with supporting gay/bi teens.
but it still relates to the topic
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I made the vow of silence today, 7:45-400 (lol I can't believe I didn't talk for that long..)
Did anyone else do it?
This has less to do with marraige though &more to do with supporting gay/bi teens.
but it still relates to the topic
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I, for one, do not like this silence of the queer day. All i saw in school was a bunch of lesbians with dutch tape on their mouth.....

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I am going to say almost exactly what I said when I had to answer a question about this on my philosophy exam: Even though I believe that it is wrong to have same sex marriage it does not give me the right to criticize them for their choice.

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As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not uncommon

True, hell according to one of my professors ancient greek men would have sex with boys for pleasure and women for procreation. This was the norm in their society however it didn't mean that all men, for pleasure purposes, would have sex with boys I believe that prostitutes were popular as well.

That is a wrong statement. According to some.......weak.....evidence......Ancient Greeks favour men over women. So in customs, they require the man to have a sexual relationship with another man before he have one with a woman. Yeah....they were sexist in the ancient world. Regarding the topics of gay prostitutes......they have existed in a lot of the ancient civilizations. I won't name them because I don't know a lot on this. My source is from my History teacher.....i hope yours isn't from a manga.......

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I made the vow of silence today, 7:45-400 (lol I can't believe I didn't talk for that long..)
Did anyone else do it?
This has less to do with marraige though &more to do with supporting gay/bi teens.
but it still relates to the topic
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i did...and so did several of my friends...even though the majority of them accidently slipped a word here and there....<< >>

and to ares......they had tape on their mouths 😕 um...nobody did that at my school....

Cry "HAVOC!"
and let slip
the dogs of war.

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I am going to say almost exactly what I said when I had to answer a question about this on my philosophy exam: Even though I believe that it is wrong to have same sex marriage it does not give me the right to criticize them for their choice.

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As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not uncommon

True, hell according to one of my professors ancient greek men would have sex with boys for pleasure and women for procreation. This was the norm in their society however it didn't mean that all men, for pleasure purposes, would have sex with boys I believe that prostitutes were popular as well.

That is a wrong statement. According to some.......weak.....evidence......Ancient Greeks favour men over women. So in customs, they require the man to have a sexual relationship with another man before he have one with a woman. Yeah....they were sexist in the ancient world. Regarding the topics of gay prostitutes......they have existed in a lot of the ancient civilizations. I won't name them because I don't know a lot on this. My source is from my History teacher.....i hope yours isn't from a manga.......

I think that you totally missed the concept of what I was saying but I am not going to persue that any futher. Anyway the sources that I have are not manga and are in actuality both my history professor and mythology professor. Regarding the prostitution I was refering to females, actually I thought about writing female prostitues but decided not to.

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I am going to say almost exactly what I said when I had to answer a question about this on my philosophy exam: Even though I believe that it is wrong to have same sex marriage it does not give me the right to criticize them for their choice.

[quote=ladybrasa] As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not uncommon

True, hell according to one of my professors ancient Greek men would have sex with boys for pleasure and women for procreation. This was the norm in their society however it didn't mean that all men, for pleasure purposes, would have sex with boys I believe that prostitutes were popular as well.

That is a wrong statement. According to some.......weak.....evidence......Ancient Greeks favour men over women. So in customs, they require the man to have a sexual relationship with another man before he have one with a woman. Yeah....they were sexist in the ancient world. Regarding the topics of gay prostitutes......they have existed in a lot of the ancient civilizations. I won't name them because I don't know a lot on this. My source is from my History teacher.....i hope yours isn't from a manga.......

I think that you totally missed the concept of what I was saying but I am not going to pursue that any further. Anyway the sources that I have are not manga and are in actuality both my history professor and mythology professor. Regarding the prostitution I was referring to females, actually I thought about writing female prostitute but decided not to.[/quote]

Your use of the word "Boys" have clearly indicated that you are talking about some sort of gay under aged prostitution that i believe you have read in some BL manga. Hey, whatever the case may be, if you said it's not, then it's not. Oh, yes, I corrected your spellings, hopefully you won't mind.

These lesbians weren't even good looking, some were fat, and others were just plain ugly. Seriously, who the hell is lame enough to have duct tape on their mouth......

*Thanks to a special someone who tirelessly worked to find any spelling mistakes i made. Perhaps you would like to find more by reading every one's posts. You seem to have a hell lot of time on your hand.

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hahaha, i have to post quickly before things escalate enough for some admin to ban it. But great topic, its like picking up a group of football hooligans, going to a different teams home game with a big sign "we are looking for a fight" hanging around your neck.

 Anyway, here my 2 cents.  
     I believe that every goverment has to provide some kind of legal status equal to a married hetero-couple for same sex couples. ( taxes, insurance, widow/widower pension, ....... ) If its called marriage or not is of secondary importance.  
   
 What a religion does is its own buisness. ( as long as it doesn't break the law ) So the buisness of its members. So i don't think anybody not participating in the religion has any influence. Since i am not in any religion at the moment, the only aspect i am intrested in is the legal one. 

Anyway, go on bashing your heads in, i'll be standing on the sidelines cheering you on.
"Go ares, your my boy! Make as big a fool of yourself as possible! "Straight until proven gay", a milestone that was i tell you!"

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hahaha, i have to post quickly before things escalate enough for some admin to ban it. But great topic, its like picking up a group of football hooligans, going to a different teams home game with a big sign "we are looking for a fight" hanging around your neck.

 Anyway, here my 2 cents.  
     I believe that the government has to provide some kind of legal status equal to a married hetero-couple for same sex couples. ( taxes, insurance, widow pay, ....... )  
   
 What a religion does is its own business. ( as long as it doesn't break the law ) So the business of its members. 

Anyway, go on bashing your heads in, i'll be standing on the sidelines cheering you on.

Bully, if you want to blame someone, blame it on the person who created this topic. This is exactly why most forum ban controversial subjects such as politics, homosexuality, religion, and crime.

And Bully, I hope you won't mind me correcting your spelling mistakes too.

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[quote=TheSilentDeath]I am going to say almost exactly what I said when I had to answer a question about this on my philosophy exam: Even though I believe that it is wrong to have same sex marriage it does not give me the right to criticize them for their choice.

[quote=ladybrasa] As far as homosexuality in nature - homosexual behavior is not uncommon

True, hell according to one of my professors ancient Greek men would have sex with boys for pleasure and women for procreation. This was the norm in their society however it didn't mean that all men, for pleasure purposes, would have sex with boys I believe that prostitutes were popular as well.

That is a wrong statement. According to some.......weak.....evidence......Ancient Greeks favour men over women. So in customs, they require the man to have a sexual relationship with another man before he have one with a woman. Yeah....they were sexist in the ancient world. Regarding the topics of gay prostitutes......they have existed in a lot of the ancient civilizations. I won't name them because I don't know a lot on this. My source is from my History teacher.....i hope yours isn't from a manga.......

I think that you totally missed the concept of what I was saying but I am not going to pursue that any further. Anyway the sources that I have are not manga and are in actuality both my history professor and mythology professor. Regarding the prostitution I was referring to females, actually I thought about writing female prostitute but decided not to.[/quote]

Your use of the word "Boys" have clearly indicated that you are talking about some sort of gay under aged prostitution that i believe you have read in some BL manga. Hey, whatever the case may be, if you said it's not, then it's not. Oh, yes, I corrected your spellings, hopefully you won't mind.

These lesbians weren't even good looking, some were fat, and others were just plain ugly. Seriously, who the hell is lame enough to have dutch tape on their mouth......[/quote]

I don't care about the spellings since I had to hold a crap in until I finished the post, but seriously your stuck on the whole BL thing which causes me to lose sleep. And it is true that the majority of lesbians in the real world are disturbingly ugly, nothing like what they show in porn movies.

Finally I will reiterate my postion on the topic of gay marriage: I don't care....as long as they stay away from me.

Also I hate how we (the US) call football soccer, I mean football makes more sense than the word soccer.

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my english spelling sucks, no surprise there,
and i am not against the thread, i think its great fun, and actually a good thing. Its just an obvious fight 🙂