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No one twists your word. You're conclusions are faulty in logic. If you say there is no Good or Evil. Then you are implying that there is no morality. Therefore, that, means I can do whatever the hell I want. That's according to you that is. Morality and the standard of Good and Evil are linked directly. We, human, say a firefighter is good because he risks his own life to save someone else. Yes, that's his job, but to actually choose this job, part of it may be morality. Perhaps he feels he should help others in need. Of course, we group this firefighter as Good. We call him a modern day hero.

Of course, then there's a concept of the end justifies the mean. Or perhaps sacrificing the few for the many. People do do things like this are considered controversial characters by historians. Some people call them good, others call the Evil.

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So were I a fireman I could be "good" no matter what? Suppose I killed/molested/stole before, and I'm now the best firefighter there is. Am I good or evil? Firemen are not a single concept, and neither are any people. If you can find me a purehearted good/evil person, you have done the impossible.

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So were I a fireman I could be "good" no matter what? Suppose I killed/molested/stole before, and I'm now the best firefighter there is. Am I good or evil? Firemen are not a single concept, and neither are any people. If you can find me a purehearted good/evil person, you have done the impossible.

It's true that people are never purely good or evil (though some might call the latter debatable), but it does not follow from that that the concepts of 'good' and 'evil' are themselves invalid, simply because they do not serve as categories for classifying people. If you're a fireman who has killed/molested/stolen before, then, all other things equal, whenever you run into a burning building and save someone's life, that is good. Whenever you kill/molest/steal, that is bad. Simple enough.

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Morality is silly. It's just a word coined so that people can tell others how to act. No one ever sat down and thought "I am going to define my own morals" it is always a religious institution, gov't institution, or educational institution that trains people to behave and think in a certain way. People, when given the chance will always choose what is most convenient for them. Even when thinking "morally" people weigh consequences to an action higher than the morality of the action.

Morality is bogus.

No one? Neitzche did, for one, if I remember correctly. In any case, just because people often fail to consider the morality of their actions, or, even upon considering it, give higher credence to convenience or consequences, doesn't mean morality is bogus. The validity of the concept doesn't stem from the number of people who understand or adhere to it. Most people on a daily basis fail to consider the rationality of their actions, or, even upon considering it, act contrarily to logic. Because most people either fail to understand it or often do not adhere to it, does that render logic/reason invalid? If so, it seems we're all wasting our time.

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-Is morality something made up by man? In other world, morality depends on people's point of view.
-Is morality set by a higher power or something? In other words, is it correct 100 percent no matter what kind of point of view you have?
-What is morality?
-Contradictionary morality issues, pro/con

Morality for me is like a code of conduct which, I believe, has always existed within animals that lived in groups. Because humans are the most 'advanced' creatures on the face of the Earth our 'code of conduct' is far more complex when compared to other animals. But if you were to reduce our 'code of conduct' down to its base form then all you are left with is 'the strongest shall rule'.

For example a group of the powerful and the charismatic are able influence the 'morality' of others. As the 'group' becomes more influential then more people would conform their new morality to the ideals of the said group until it causes a shift in societal morality aka 'the people's point of view'.

If a person was to deviate from the ideals/views of the alpha group then they would be orcastrized from the rest of the group(society).

Think Nazi Germany. A simpler example would be a family of chimps. The alpha chimp has total control over the conduct of the group until he loses influence. Humans are like an upgraded version of a chimp.

Therefore I see morality as more of a set of 'unsaid laws' that one must follow in order to fit into the ideals/views of the alpha group. Also morality wasn't something that was created by man, it has always existed, man just gave it a name.

BTW: Just because I believe morality has always existed doesn't mean that it was created by God. If you haven't noticed already, I believe in Darwinism (Evolution) and not Creationist theory. For me religion is the byproduct of ignorance.

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I don't know what you mean by contradictory morality issues.

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-Is morality something made up by man? In other world, morality depends on people's point of view.
-Is morality set by a higher power or something? In other words, is it correct 100 percent no matter what kind of point of view you have?
-What is morality?
-Contradictionary morality issues, pro/con

I don't know what you mean by contradictory morality issues.

contradictory morality issues like Death Penalty, abortion, killing animal for resources...etc etc.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

When concerning morals/ethics Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates where great preachers of it. Virtue or moral excellence is not something people are born with. People can only achieve virtue from habit and exercise like any skill.

I only mention this because I am learning a bit of this in school.

A lot of their teachings are what builds society's laws in order to make people have moral excellence.

I also do not think that morality comes from God, but it is rather something that comes from humans' "common sense" and their instinct of survival.

Of course, if we exclude the most obvious human rights - like life and freedom - (meaning, we ALL know it's WRONG to kill... it's not that we don't do it because we're afraid we'll go to hell, but rather because of our own sense, that tells us we wouldn't like it if someone did it to us), I believe individuals' morals are strongly influenced by the environments: this is why, to people who come from "western, civilized" countries, it seems wrong for girls to be forced to marry men they have never met before or something similar.

Finally, I absolutely agree with Aebriol, in saying that, all things considered, morality isn't absolute at all: it varies not only from individual to individual, but also from situation to situation (I think her example of stealing was very appropriate), and from environment to environment.

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-Is morality something made up by man? In other world, morality depends on people's point of view.
-Is morality set by a higher power or something? In other words, is it correct 100 percent no matter what kind of point of view you have?
-What is morality?
-Contradictionary morality issues, pro/con

Beware: Morality is a vast topic.

I don't think it's exactly made up by man, neither set up by a higher power or something. While regarding the latter there is no way to prove it but to believe in that, regarding the first, it leads to the swamp of relativism. In fact, there are certain moral values that are common to human beings, why are they shared I don't know, maybe it's just because we have reason, or because we live in a society and society teach us those values, there are religious explanations too.

What is morality, I myself don't know, I have a vague idea of what it's, and there have been different ways of viewing it. It's concerns to wrong and right, in human actions, and then there are various perspectives about how is right and wrong defined and how we can discern them. So, I don't think there is a fixed deffinition.

About contradictory morality issues, I think that it's better to analize them in their context, there are pros and contra arguments when it comes to them, and each individual have their own opinion about those matters. In the case of abortion, I think it's up to the mother to decide, if the mother's life is threatened by the pregnancy but she wants to have the baby, why should we tell her she can't do that? Why should we try to convince her to keep her life instead?

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Probably but only if we kill the bad ones. Cause you could end up with just the evil ones left 🙂 What you are talking about is I guess like a type of cleansing. Btw nature has it's own way of cleansing the species and evolving it's called Aids, Global Warming Etc.

Too bad those rotten apples have a longer lifespan. Try with someone you hate, s/he will live longer that someone you've loved. They've got a knack for surviving.

I believe that morality is man-made,
since I've pretty much grown out of it.
Thus I don't believe it is something as
mind involving as feelings.

Morality is a behaviour and paradigm
code which is taught to us by others.
We then shape it with experiences.
This however doesn't change morality itself,
but the way we perceive things.

How coincidental. I was just reading a book that discusses this. It's called Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis. (This guy is brilliant)

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People need to keep in mind that morality is made by humans and changes as time flows. Tomorrow's morality will not be the same as that of today's. Rules are good, but don't worship them. Be critical of them when the situation requires you to be.

Be flexible, and not boring conservative. 😮

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Morality is a normative concept. That is, it is mandated and indoctrinated by societal norms that control how people act with social pressure. The basic principles are created by people's own self-interest- the idea of killing being wrong, for instance, is born out of a desire for safety for one's self and close family and friends.

As a result, there is no absolute morality. It varies from society to society based upon beliefs (religious and otherwise) and extenuating circumstances, but ultimately it is just a manifestation of desires that exerts a deterrence towards undesirable activity for the greater benefit of order. It's basically a code of unwritten laws that can only be circumvented for a handful of reasons- knowing you won't get caught, sheer desperation, mental derangement, etc. etc.

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