I'm gonna go ahead and rock the boat again.

How do you feel about manga on mangafox that is straight scanned from, say, a tokyopop book?
There is no translation, cleaning, nothing but scanned images.

I think it is bs. I mean we are killing our own hobby.
The only thing that English publishers have going for them are quality translations. If we can read those exact, high quality manga online then what is the point of buying it?

Yes I know, it's wrong to scan anything in the first place, but by putting up japanese raws they can be translated into different languages before they are licensed in whatever language. Whats the point in scanning published works that are already translations?

If anybody is planning on going moral oral on my ass I can say that I buy all the series I read online once they are licensed. Not to mention if I find that the scans are Englished Published scans I don't read them.

How far does your morality go when it concerns scanlations?
And do you think its wrong to scan high quality published works?

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I don't like it.

If you translate and work on something that's foreign then go right ahead, but scanning someones work like that is pretty low.

Even for a community that puts out illegal manga releases.

Its only cool if the manga is out-of-print, or generally hard to procure these days. Examples include Mr. Arashi's Amazing Freak Show, or Domu.

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I don't like it.

If you translate and work on something that's foreign then go right ahead, but scanning someones work like that is pretty low.

Even for a community that puts out illegal manga releases.

I agree with this.
Though sometimes it beats the alternative of having no scans at all.

How far does your morality go when it concerns scanlations?
I'll read them and feel bad about it.
Won't scan them though since it's even more illegal than scanlating.

And do you think its wrong to scan high quality published works?
I'd rather somebody scanlated them instead.

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Sure, scanning published english releases (or whatever language they're on) is illegal but they do serve some purpose. They help in preserving those publications long after they stop selling. And think about those countries where these mangas are not available. I come from one of those countries. They don't publish any manga here yet, so I can only read them this way. I would still prefer owning and reading them in paper format, and if they do publish something here that catches my attention I will do my best to buy that. And more than once you come up on the manga you don't like. Reading them for free on the computer helps you save your money. Anyway, you always have an option. If reading scanned editions is against your principles and moral views, you just don't do it.

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I think no one was yet arrested or prosecuted for reading illegal manga. 😀 😀 😀

I think that reading scanlations is acceptable only when there's no other, legal way to get the manga we want to read. When a manga is published it's not fair to get it from the Internet, no matter if it's a scanlation or an already translated scan.
But I hate it when a manga that I'm interested in is no longer scanlated because it was published in English. There are very few mangas published in my country (but I buy many to support the publishers) and scanlations or scans are the only way for me to read some of them. In such case I wouldn't mind reading a scan of a work published in English.

I am a little bit on both sides...

I have actually read some of the published works on Manga Fox. Yes, yes, I know...I am a terrible person.

But, once I found a published manga that I enjoyed reading on Manga Fox, I would buy it. Yes, that says that I actually purchase the manga.

So, I can't really say that I hate the idea all together. But, I am sure that there are a lot of people out there just reading the stories with no intention of ever buying them.

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And think about those countries where these mangas are not available. I come from one of those countries. They don't publish any manga here yet, so I can only read them this way. I would still prefer owning and reading them in paper format, and if they do publish something here that catches my attention I will do my best to buy that.

No offense, but I think the "it's not in my country" excuse is not an legitimate excuse. Besides reading manga online, the internet also sells manga, which you can purchase just as easily.

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Reading them for free on the computer helps you save your money.

And while you save money, the mangaka is going broke (well, not really). The manga industry isn't doing great in Japan right now. The problem with Japan is that their population is getting older and older, since many people are holding out having children for their career/love life. So, in effect, there are lesser and lesser younger people reading manga.

Besides reading manga online, the internet also sells manga, which you can purchase just as easily.

Well, it's not always possible. The Internet bookstores selling books in English offer very few manga and they usually cost much more than they are worth (and definitely more than I can afford - it may not be a problem wit a one or two volume long series, but what if there are eighteen or more?).

I prefer not to read the English scans myself. I think i've only ever done it once though, and that was for Dance in the Vampire Bund. I don't think the group that scanlates that series did those chapters, and went straight onto the next chapter after the English scan.
Although I might not agree with the English scans, I wasn't going to jump a whole volume and miss information on the story due to morals.

I've actually been interested in purchasing that series but they're never bloody consistant with the volumes they have where I buy my manga from. They never have the first 3 volumes, only the 4th or 5th. (I like buying in order xD)

But yeah, I tend to avoid the English scans when I can. The quality usually sucks too.

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And think about those countries where these mangas are not available. I come from one of those countries. They don't publish any manga here yet, so I can only read them this way. I would still prefer owning and reading them in paper format, and if they do publish something here that catches my attention I will do my best to buy that.

No offense, but I think the "it's not in my country" excuse is not an legitimate excuse. Besides reading manga online, the internet also sells manga, which you can purchase just as easily.

It's not just as easily. When you account for overpriced manga and shipment costs it doesn't come cheap. I'd rather download it for free. And, besides why would I buy stuff from foreign publisher?

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And while you save money, the mangaka is going broke (well, not really)

The mangaka won't be having hard time sleeping over me not buying his manga. I mean even if I would to get some english edition he doesn't profit from that. The mangaka could get, depending on their contracts with the publisher, a percent from each copy sold but that probably refers to Japan. Even if he would to get money from manga sold abroad for me and many others most of the time is "download manga or don't read it at all". I guess this is victimless crime. 😃

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It's not just as easily. When you account for overpriced manga and shipment costs it doesn't come cheap. I'd rather download it for free. And, besides why would I buy stuff from foreign publisher?

I was gonna stay outta this little tiff but what you said was offensive.
If you don't want to buy foreign things why do read/watch/listen to foreign things?
Why wouldn't you want to buy from a foreign publisher?
Please explain this to me. Because, being Canadian, all of the manga I read are 'foreign'.

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I mean even if I would to get some english edition he doesn't profit from that.

o_o I'm just going to point it out and let you figure out what I'm getting at.

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It's not just as easily. When you account for overpriced manga and shipment costs it doesn't come cheap. I'd rather download it for free. And, besides why would I buy stuff from foreign publisher?

I was gonna stay outta this little tiff but what you said was offensive.
If you don't want to buy foreign things why do read/watch/listen to foreign things?
Why wouldn't you want to buy from a foreign publisher?
Please explain this to me. Because, being Canadian, all of the manga I read are 'foreign'.

What I wanted to say was that I wouldn't have problem buying manga that is published in my country (if there where any) but I do not care for foreign publishers. You're all like "o, let's buy manga else they go bankrupt". Well I really don't care if they do. Capish?

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I mean even if I would to get some english edition he doesn't profit from that.

o_o I'm just going to point it out and let you figure out what I'm getting at.

Well, it seems you ought to tell me.

I don't like it, and I try to avoid them. But there are some places in this world, such as the place I'm moving to atm, where getting published manga legally would cost me a fortune. I don't think there are any bookstores there, if there are then it's doubtful that they sell manga. And buying from the internet, the shipment prices would be very high (though thankfully I found a website in which shipment is free all around the world ^^) and that most people won't use credit cards where i'm going (at least my family won't), then I have no means of paying for it if I buy it from the internet.

On another note, while the mangaka might not be getting broke right now, it could happen in the near future, what with more and more people reading it off the internet rather than buying it.

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I think it's okay as long as it isn't the WHOLE manga that's scanned... I often buy licensed manga after "previewing" it on mangafox etc and deciding that I want to own it. In fact these scans have introduced me to more manga than I would have otherwise bought, so it's actually encouraged me to buy manga...

There are literally no manga stores where I live and I can't just waltz in and flick through a book before buying it. Therefore the only way I can really buy manga is through Amazon - but that doesn't allow in-depth book-flipping, does it? Now, I'm not so rich that I can just randomly go and buy any old manga on Amazon without even knowing if it's any good - I want to preview it, the way I could in a bookstore. That's what scans of published works are good for, since I can read a few chapters before going to Amazon and buying the manga.

So I do sort of support the scanning of published works - BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD ONLY BE PREVIEWS, never a whole volume. I need to read a few chapters at least before deciding to spend my precious money on a manga, but I have NEVER not bought a manga that was licensed and that I liked. That would just be immoral... Plus it'll be impractical, I mean why would my favorite mangakas keep producing the stuff I like if they never get paid for it? So I have to support them... Or I'll run out of stuff to read, lol...

I like the fact that there are "official" previews for some mangas that publishers themselves put up - in those cases I don't have to go hunting for scans elsewhere. I think if more publishers do this, I won't even bother looking for unauthorized scans, because all I really want to do is preview a manga before buying it. shrug

That's my say! 🙂