well as the title and poll say i'm curious as to whether people think that its only incest if the people are blood related or if step siblings/parents count aswell, i personally think it only counts if they are blood related, so let me know your thoughts 🙂

p.s. if you know any good incest hentai let me know 😛 i like stuff like FUUGA's work, (porn with a plot) thanks

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Personally, I feel that while dating a step-parent/sibling would be kind of awkward (and 'dating' a step-parent would be cheating), it's not incest.

Since I feel that the main supporting reason for incest-taboo is the health problems associated with inbreeding, I don't really consider dating an adopted sibling to be incest either.

That being said, I don't like care for incestuous relationships in fiction (or irl for that matter). That's gross. The only series I like that has that is Angel Sanctuary, mostly because it doesn't focus on the brother/sister relationship for the majority of the series.

To me incest is only blood related relationships that are more than just a family bond. Although I could see how relations through marriage could be considered incest, but being raised as family, and actually being blood related are very different in my mind. Speaking of my mind ... I think I'm messed up that not only do I like reading incest themed stories, but if I ever came across someone I knew that was in that type of relationship ... I wouldn't stop talking to that person.

As for suggestions to aclgrafix ummm I don't know any off the top of my head.

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I support all incest be it blood related or not. And the inbreeding argument is a weak one. Nobody says that incest couples have to reproduce. They can choose to not have children or to adopt one. The resentment against incest is merely a relic of our biological programming that tells us to reproduce with someone who has different genes instead of with a family member. Something like this should have no place in a modern society anymore. Therefore, my demand is: Family members should be able to marry legally.

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When I think about incest, there are two parts to my feeling that it's wrong.

There's the "genetic diversity" part of the argument against incest, which is valid but probably overstated. Inbreeding among a small population over a period of time does lead to problems, but single isolated incidences of incest aren't too likely to cause problems.

The big thing for me, though, is that people who grow up in a family relationship are going to grow up with a certain power/authority/influence/can't-think-of-the-right-way-to-say-it already in place. Looking at parent/child incest, can that child really TRULY be freely making the choice to be in the incestuous relationship, when they've grown up since birth with that person as an authority figure?? I have a hard time believing that they can. Same kind of thing with siblings.

Step-cest doesn't bother me at all if the people involved are teens/older when they meet, but if they've grown up together since infancy then it does - too much potential for family-relationship influence on romantic-relationship.

I would support a couple's right to be together if, for example, they were siblings adopted by different families in early childhood (I've heard of a case where boy/girl twins separated at birth later married), but not if they grew up in the same family.

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While its not technically incest if the person isn't blood related, to me it stills feels wrong. I would be okay with step-siblings dating if they didn't become family until they were older, like their teen years, or if they didn't grow up together. But in cases where you've been raised as family, I think its wrong. Its especially gross when it comes to parent-child relationships, whether its an adopted child or a step-child. First, there's the fact that the adult was (or maybe still is) married to your parent. And second, I feel like parents are in an authoritative role so the relationship isn't equal. I would always be wondering if the child really wants the relationship or is being pressured into it (even if they are an adult when the relationship starts).

@shiratori I don't think its only a biological thing. Like my last comment referred to, I think people are worried about incest because in a lot of cases (perhaps most) it isn't consensual. A lot of incest is adults taking advantage of children.

Edit: Wow, my comment ended up being a lot like @TofuQueen's. That post wasn't up when I started writing.

wow didn't think i'd get that many replies so fast, thanks 🙂

anyways, just to add some things that weren't said yet, like how incest has been a huge part of world history (albeit hundreds of years ago) for example:

In Ancient Egypt, brother–sister, father–daughter, and mother–son, cousin-cousin, aunt-nephew, uncle-niece, and other combinations of relations were practiced among royalty as a means of perpetuating the royal lineage.
It is generally accepted that sibling marriages were widespread among all classes in Egypt during the Graeco-Roman period. Numerous papyri and the Roman census declarations attest to many husbands and wives being brother and sister, of the same father and mother. The most well known of these relationships were in the royal family, the Ptolemies; the famous Cleopatra VII was married to her younger brother, Ptolemy XIII. Her mother and father, Cleopatra V and Ptolemy XII, had also been brother and sister.

In Norse mythology there are themes of brother-sister marriage, a prominent example being between Njörðr and his unnamed sister (perhaps Nerthus), parents of Freyja and Freyr. Loki in turn also accuses Freyja and Freyr of having a sexual relationship.

Incestuous marriages were also seen in the royal houses of ancient Japan and Korea, Inca Peru, Ancient Hawaii, and, at times, Central Africa, Mexico, and Thailand. Like the pharaohs of ancient Egypt, the Inca rulers married their sisters. Huayna Capac, for instance, was the son of Topa Inca Yupanqui and the Inca's sister and wife.

But at the same time there are many cases where incestuous relationships like those have been met with beheading, hangings and other forms of execution.

anyway, i do support incest ONLY if its fictional and if it is a part of history, after all without it many people who have changed the world over time could have come from 1 such relationship, BUT i will NEVER support an incestuous relationship of real people if i know the people involved.

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The big thing for me, though, is that people who grow up in a family relationship are going to grow up with a certain power/authority/influence/can't-think-of-the-right-way-to-say-it already in place. Looking at parent/child incest, can that child really TRULY be freely making the choice to be in the incestuous relationship, when they've grown up since birth with that person as an authority figure?? I have a hard time believing that they can. Same kind of thing with siblings.

Well I don't believe anything good can come out of parent/child relationships either, but not because they're blood related but because of the authority relationship and the large age gap. But for siblings, it's a whole different matter. The authority of the older sibling basically only comes from the fact that he/she is a bit older. The same kind of relationship can be easily formed with a slightly older childhood friend who is not related by blood. Then would you deem these relationships as wrong too? Not to mention the case of twins where there in practice is no younger or older sibling and no authority relationship at all.

I still hold firm to the belief there is no valid argument against incest in general, but feel free to prove me wrong.

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I only see a relationship being incestuous if the people involved are blood related. I honestly don't see any problem with incest. I wouldn't personally involve myself in that kind of relationship but so long as it's someone else I don't see it being a big deal. I might think that it's weird at first if someone I knew really well was in that kind of relationship but I'm the type of person that gets over things very fast so what ever anyone wants to do is their business and not really for anyone else to mess with. If it is a forced incestuous relationship then that is something else entirely. I could not make myself support someone that is forcing someone else into that relationship when they do not want to have anything to do with it. If it is mutual then yeah It's not a problem in my book.

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For me, Incest in RL is a big No No, but in Manga/stories, I kinda love it because of the obstacle needed to overcome.Its another kind of form of the Love Story.
I wonder if incest is also included or not in the Triangular theory of Love....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

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]I still hold firm to the belief there is no valid argument against incest in general, but feel free to prove me wrong.

There's a valid argument against inbreeding though (homozygous genes). One real world example would be the ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt where incest was the standard to keep the power within the family. They were later objects of publish ridicule in Rome for their deformities. Cleopatra VII (the famous one, snakebite, the lover of Caesar) married his brother Ptolemy XIV also had physical deformities.

Of course they had been inbreeding for who knows how long. The custom of immoralising incest is understandable though because of this. As for actual ethical reasons against incest, I've yet to hear them either. Most common is when someone starts to talk about older family member abusing a younger one. But in that case the issue is child abuse, not incest.

I've nothing against even siblings having children with each other per se. There is of course bigger risk and on the long run (several generations) it is indeed bad. But marrying relatives used to be very common almost globally until just recently, although marriage between siblings wasn't as common as cousins.

Don't mind me, I'm just ranting out of boredom.

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I believe that 2 consenting adults have the right to love each other and be together. Nobody should have any say in whether or not they can be together. It's persecution to do so.

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I believe that 2 consenting adults have the right to love each other and be together. Nobody should have any say in whether or not they can be together. It's persecution to do so.

Yeah, Im somewhat agree. But still there are external problem (ie. the persecution that comes from other people and the common public society)
For the same sex relation, it could be seen quite easily. but for incest, even for direct blood related brother&sister with the same father&mother, if they go someplace far away or somewhere that nobody has known them yet, they would just seems like any other ordinary couple, unless they told themselves otherwise to the other.
Heck, even a 40 years old dad could say to other people on they first meeting that his 20 years old daughter is his young wife. 😲
Like there's a manga that I forget the title, but its an accidental incest where

there's a girl that fuck a guy (she's a prostitute) and that guy telling stories that he is looking for his long lost daughter (in the photograph, there are a small girl) while the girl thinks then remember about his long lost father that she thinks already dead. And of course obviously, the girl has the same birthmark or something with the daughter that the guy is looking for. But the one who realize it is only the girl.

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