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Ha ha ha. We try. :]
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Do you know if the Geass research group is called the Order or Cult? Since I'm not Japanese I watch the subbed versions instead of raws and GG puts "the Cult" and Eclipse puts "the Order".
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In the eyes of Zero, the significance of the war against Britannia would depend on whether the order exists or not. Did you see what the children did to the man in the knightmare? I'm sure they're not trained to be scared of things like that. I think that in the eyes of V.V. that even though they're considered his failures, they could still be used for something. Since V.V. came into play as the leader of the order he started training the children to attack/kill all who opposes Emperor Charles. Even if they turn out to be failures they could still be used for something.
In the eyes of the OOBK, killing children is just wrong. If they knew that they were considered a weapon in warfare maybe their opinions about eliminating innocent lives would be different. However, Lelouch was just merely being immature about Shirley's death so he blames Geass and the OOBK can't really oppose Zero at this point.
In my honest opinion, it was wrong to some extent. The right thing to do would to solely go for V.V. and let the people stay with C.C. as a "replacement leader" of the Order/Cult. The people would more than likely obey C.C. because they respect her unlike V.V. who has caused them to live in fear. Killing some of the children who have proven to be dangerous would be ethical because once they're released outside of there who knows what they might do. They might end up like Rolo in his beginning stages where he was used as an assassin.
As a response to Crenshinibon's prediction about Lelouch not dying, I think Lelouch's death would just be stupid. In most mangas, it would be beyond predictable to continue the anime/manga based on the opinions of fans. However, Code Geass isn't your regular everyday anime/manga. Having Lelouch die would be a waste of R1 and R2. Add the question to what would Nunnally do if her brother that loves more than anything in the entire would died? What would happen to all the girls that have been pimped by Lelouch now that he's gone. Considering his character and significance, a mere death like that is just asking for people to not buy Code Geass merchandise.
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You're assuming Nunnally survives ;). She's actually pretty high on my "likely to die" list. I've included the characters I'm fairly certain will die at the bottom (I'm only working part time right now, so I have way too much free time on my hands -_-;;. Maybe I should just write a novel instead of making all these Geass posts...)
Technically, neither are the correct phrasing. The literal translation of the word "kyoudou" is probably "association" or something along those lines, but that doesn't exactly fit. I'm inclined to lean towards "cult" because the Geass is supernatural in nature, and order is already being used for another term (I also don't like that it makes a parallel with the Order of the Black Knights), but it's entirely stylistic. Recently, Eclipse has been making a few stylistic choices I dislike (such as using "loyalty" for the lines concerning Jeremiah, while "duty" or something along those lines fits within the English conversation much more naturally), but typically I would agree that they have better editing.
Dubby, start buying posters. He's around at least through 17, and probably much longer.
Death list:
Li Xing-ke
Rollo
Nunnally
Gino (The opening suggests that Tristain suffers damage at one point and is subsequently revamped by the Black Knights. Orange as pilot, anyone?)
Anya (after doing something totally ridiculous like destroying Schnizel's flagship)
Knight of One
Knight of Ten
VV
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Technically, neither are the correct phrasing. The literal translation of the word "kyoudou" is probably "association" or something along those lines, but that doesn't exactly fit. I'm inclined to lean towards "cult" because the Geass is supernatural in nature, and order is already being used for another term (I also don't like that it makes a parallel with the Order of the Black Knights), but it's entirely stylistic. Recently, Eclipse has been making a few stylistic choices I dislike (such as using "loyalty" for the lines concerning Jeremiah, while "duty" or something along those lines fits within the English conversation much more naturally), but typically I would agree that they have better editing.
Dubby, start buying posters. He's around at least through 17, and probably much longer.
Death list:
Li Xing-ke
Rollo
Nunnally
Gino (The opening suggests that Tristain suffers damage at one point and is subsequently revamped by the Black Knights. Orange as pilot, anyone?)
Anya (after doing something totally ridiculous like destroying Schnizel's flagship)
Knight of One
Knight of Ten
VV
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Oh god damn.
brb going to Japan and blackmailing zee scriptwriter
I'll throw myself into the show animenized and make myself and Lelouch fall in love~~
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So Nunnally dies? YES! I was kind of hoping for it deep within my evil little heart. xD But Knight of Ten? It only goes up to seven. I was kind of hoping Anya would live because she seems like she'll be a dynamic character. I don't really pay attention to the opening much. I just listen to the song. ^^;;
Well, the thing is that I think GG kind of rushes too much. Around episode 13, they had horrible typesetting and I don't trust their translations so much. Oh well. As long as the translation is able to grasp the basic concept, I'm okay with it.
Well, the thing is that I think GG kind of rushes too much. Around episode 13, they had horrible typesetting and I don't trust their translations so much. Oh well. As long as the translation is able to grasp the basic concept, I'm okay with it.
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So Nunnally dies? YES! I was kind of hoping for it deep within my evil little heart. xD But Knight of Ten? It only goes up to seven. I was kind of hoping Anya would live because she seems like she'll be a dynamic character. I don't really pay attention to the opening much. I just listen to the song. ^^;;
Well, the thing is that I think GG kind of rushes too much. Around episode 13, they had horrible typesetting and I don't trust their translations so much. Oh well. As long as the translation is able to grasp the basic concept, I'm okay with it.
Well, the thing is that I think GG kind of rushes too much. Around episode 13, they had horrible typesetting and I don't trust their translations so much. Oh well. As long as the translation is able to grasp the basic concept, I'm okay with it.
Those are my predictions, not facts. I'm assuming Nunnally dies because it would totally break Lelouch and Suzaku both, and something like that is necessary for them to reconcile in the end.
There are 12 Knights of the Round, like the Knights of the Round Table in some of the legends of King Arthur (variations have many more). The Knight of 10's Knightmare was put up on the official site, it looks sort of weak, and I know that the Knights of the Round will fight the United Nations based on some of the hints of ep. 16. 10 is insignificant, like 12 (who is the weakest member). One's KMF is a beast, by the way, it's Gawain-sized and has a sword larger than itself (excalibur, naturally).
Anya is my favorite Geass girl- I don't want her to die, but because she represents Mordred, it's likely she will.
GG and Eclipse have the same translator, and receive the same script (it's due to some random irrelevant fansub drama). The difference is in how they edit it, the basic translation is always the same.
EDIT: Just for the record, the scene I'm referring to in the opening is when all the Black Knights Knightmares appear next to Zero. Tristain is shown with different colored horns, swords instead of the scythe-thing, and a Black Knight floatpack. Mordred is shown at the end, further suggesting Anya's faction switching.
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Wow...we finally got to see C.C.s past, her geass, and her "wish"
Oh Yeah...
Well, that's what I got the raws.
Not as detailed as Crenshinibon's but it'll have to make due until he gets here with his summary...
So any thoughts on whats gonna happen?
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-C.C. was a Slave girl in the middle ages who wanted to be loved
-Nun gives her a geass where people will love her
-C.C. gained her immortality from said nun
-C.C. wish is the sama as the Nun's...she wants to die (I knew it >.<)
-Only way for her to die was to give her immortality and power to give geasses to someone else with a complete geass...namely Charles
-BTW Charles is already immortal even before this...
-Why not Lulu? Because C.C. is impatient :haha:
-C.C. was going to give Charles her immortality but Lelouch convinces her otherwise saying if she wants to die, she would want to die smiling (and being loved? not sure) and he will grant her that wish (Or something like that)
-Lelouch destroys the sword of Akasha and escapes with C.C.
-C.C.s memories have reverted back to the time when she was a child... :eek:
-Nun gives her a geass where people will love her
-C.C. gained her immortality from said nun
-C.C. wish is the sama as the Nun's...she wants to die (I knew it >.<)
-Only way for her to die was to give her immortality and power to give geasses to someone else with a complete geass...namely Charles
-BTW Charles is already immortal even before this...
-Why not Lulu? Because C.C. is impatient :haha:
-C.C. was going to give Charles her immortality but Lelouch convinces her otherwise saying if she wants to die, she would want to die smiling (and being loved? not sure) and he will grant her that wish (Or something like that)
-Lelouch destroys the sword of Akasha and escapes with C.C.
-C.C.s memories have reverted back to the time when she was a child... :eek:
Oh Yeah...
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-Suzaku was about to use refrain but stopped at the last minute when he realized he was doing the same thing as Lelouch
-Nunally suspects Suzaku of lying to her because she's a living lie detector...no joke. :|
-Nina's weapon looked like that gravity shell they used in the final battle in Zoids Chaotic Century...if you don't know what I mean...It's creates something like a mini black hole.
-More development on Ohgi and Villeta when Ohgi protected Villeta from Sayoko's kunais and falls off a cliff...Viletta jumps to save Ohgi and going head first to a rock...cliff hanger on their fate
-Nunally suspects Suzaku of lying to her because she's a living lie detector...no joke. :|
-Nina's weapon looked like that gravity shell they used in the final battle in Zoids Chaotic Century...if you don't know what I mean...It's creates something like a mini black hole.
-More development on Ohgi and Villeta when Ohgi protected Villeta from Sayoko's kunais and falls off a cliff...Viletta jumps to save Ohgi and going head first to a rock...cliff hanger on their fate
Well, that's what I got the raws.
Not as detailed as Crenshinibon's but it'll have to make due until he gets here with his summary...
So any thoughts on whats gonna happen?
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C.C. with that voice and personality was too much of a shocker to me :|
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Sorry, I got the raw later than usual last night and was really tired. Totally forgot to post here.
Anyway, you got most of it, but you missed some pretty plot important stuff:
Okay, that's the summary. Like I said, you got most of it, there are just a few important connotations. What's below are my predicitons, this is a massive turning point for the series.
Remember, that's purely prediction. Hopefully I'll get some stuff right, but we'll see.
No matter what, the next few episodes are going to be crazy. I'm especially looking forward to 17.
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Anyway, you got most of it, but you missed some pretty plot important stuff:
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-CC's geass had the power to force people to fall in love with her. As a result, she never came to know what natural love actually is. Her copy seems to lament this fact, and is for some reason sure that Lelouch is an important person to her (although Lelouch is sure he isn't since she betrayed him).
-The reason for her wanting to die is basically because she's convinced she'll never be able to experience it. Lelouch brings her back by saying that he "knows what her true wish is" and "wants her to smile, because death while crying doesn't suit her" (or something like that) During the episode he was very confused as to what she actually is to him (she was no longer his partner so he was struggling to determine their relationship) but that's a pretty massive flag. I can see a variety of CC ends now.
-I might have messed up, but it seemed to me that only people with complete, powerful Geasses are capable of destroying immortality, I didn't hear anything that indicated that transfer was necessary, but it was late, so I could've messed up here.
-VV was in love with Marianne. Totally called the "compounded betrayal" by her loving Charles. I'm fairly certain he was responsible for her murder now.
-Lelouch didn't necessarily destroy the sword. He started breaking it, but I think it still exists in a partially destroyed state. I imagine that we'll be going back there to reclaim CC's memory towards the end.
-Most of Suzaku's development this episode helped him understand that he is the same as Lelouch (been saying it for weeks people....). Nunnally even says so when Suzaku lies to her again about the phone call with Lelouch. My guess is that she figured out that Lelouch was Zero at the end of episode 6.
-Schneizel also mentions something called "damoncles" or something like that (Japanese pronunciation of greek names + 5am =/= coherent understanding. Nina's bomb is prayer, so there seems to be an assumption that it's the big space station thing in the opening.
-The reason for her wanting to die is basically because she's convinced she'll never be able to experience it. Lelouch brings her back by saying that he "knows what her true wish is" and "wants her to smile, because death while crying doesn't suit her" (or something like that) During the episode he was very confused as to what she actually is to him (she was no longer his partner so he was struggling to determine their relationship) but that's a pretty massive flag. I can see a variety of CC ends now.
-I might have messed up, but it seemed to me that only people with complete, powerful Geasses are capable of destroying immortality, I didn't hear anything that indicated that transfer was necessary, but it was late, so I could've messed up here.
-VV was in love with Marianne. Totally called the "compounded betrayal" by her loving Charles. I'm fairly certain he was responsible for her murder now.
-Lelouch didn't necessarily destroy the sword. He started breaking it, but I think it still exists in a partially destroyed state. I imagine that we'll be going back there to reclaim CC's memory towards the end.
-Most of Suzaku's development this episode helped him understand that he is the same as Lelouch (been saying it for weeks people....). Nunnally even says so when Suzaku lies to her again about the phone call with Lelouch. My guess is that she figured out that Lelouch was Zero at the end of episode 6.
-Schneizel also mentions something called "damoncles" or something like that (Japanese pronunciation of greek names + 5am =/= coherent understanding. Nina's bomb is prayer, so there seems to be an assumption that it's the big space station thing in the opening.
Okay, that's the summary. Like I said, you got most of it, there are just a few important connotations. What's below are my predicitons, this is a massive turning point for the series.
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The preview reveals that next episode Lelouch will talk to Cornelia. As Lelouch- not Zero, he's not wearing the mask, but Jeremiah is in the room to protect him, presumably. Expect a breakdown about how he couldn't save Euphy and needs his older sister's help to destroy Geass.
-CC's memory loss is temporary, but Lelouch will actually fall in love with her anyway. Towards the end, I predict that he assaults the Sword of Akasha, and CC regains her memories, becoming immortal again.
-As a sub prediction to that, I'm leaning towards an ending where Lelouch steals The Emperor's immortality and ends up living forever with CC at the moment, but it's a little early to say.
-Nina's bomb will destroy Tokyo. Some correct-so-far speculations indicate that Suzaku will drop it thinking it's a normal bomb and kill thousands of people even though the remaining male holy sword partially disarms it. A faction split in the black knights leaves Lelouch abandoned as a result.
-Nunnally barely survives said bombing thanks to Anya evacuating her. Eventually Anya returns her to Lelouch, but Nunnally still dies towards the end of the series.
-The world slowly moves to two separate wars- Schneizel vs. The United Nations and Lelouch vs. The Emperor.
-The only ones on the "Lelouch" side will be Cornelia + the Glaston Knights, CC (slave version), Kallen (after a few mishaps along the way), Rollo (prior to his inevitable death), Jeremiah, and Anya.
-Kallen's previous romantic development is used in two ways: the first is to shift her allegiance from the Black Knights and Zero to Lelouch personally, the second is so that eventually she will give it up (which develops her character) and convince Lelouch to go after CC's memories since he's apparently in love with her. That's just a guess, but it seems the most likely scenario to me *shrug*.
-CC's memory loss is temporary, but Lelouch will actually fall in love with her anyway. Towards the end, I predict that he assaults the Sword of Akasha, and CC regains her memories, becoming immortal again.
-As a sub prediction to that, I'm leaning towards an ending where Lelouch steals The Emperor's immortality and ends up living forever with CC at the moment, but it's a little early to say.
-Nina's bomb will destroy Tokyo. Some correct-so-far speculations indicate that Suzaku will drop it thinking it's a normal bomb and kill thousands of people even though the remaining male holy sword partially disarms it. A faction split in the black knights leaves Lelouch abandoned as a result.
-Nunnally barely survives said bombing thanks to Anya evacuating her. Eventually Anya returns her to Lelouch, but Nunnally still dies towards the end of the series.
-The world slowly moves to two separate wars- Schneizel vs. The United Nations and Lelouch vs. The Emperor.
-The only ones on the "Lelouch" side will be Cornelia + the Glaston Knights, CC (slave version), Kallen (after a few mishaps along the way), Rollo (prior to his inevitable death), Jeremiah, and Anya.
-Kallen's previous romantic development is used in two ways: the first is to shift her allegiance from the Black Knights and Zero to Lelouch personally, the second is so that eventually she will give it up (which develops her character) and convince Lelouch to go after CC's memories since he's apparently in love with her. That's just a guess, but it seems the most likely scenario to me *shrug*.
Remember, that's purely prediction. Hopefully I'll get some stuff right, but we'll see.
No matter what, the next few episodes are going to be crazy. I'm especially looking forward to 17.
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I don't see a faction split in the Black Knights I think that whatever Schnizel does is going to retroactively justify the attack on the Order. If Schnizel really does nuke Tokyo or any other major population centre for that matter it's going to make what Lelouch ordered look like nothing at all. It would almost be stupid not to side with Zero/Lelouch at that point regardless of how you feel about the attack on the Order. If it was me I would just ask any of my disgruntled employees if they would mind killing the people who created such a destructive weapon.
I am quite proud of Suzaku for not using the refrain, and finally deciding to just go check up on Lelouch directly....
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I am quite proud of Suzaku for not using the refrain, and finally deciding to just go check up on Lelouch directly....
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I don't see a faction split in the Black Knights I think that whatever Schnizel does is going to retroactively justify the attack on the Order. If Schnizel really does nuke Tokyo or any other major population centre for that matter it's going to make what Lelouch ordered look like nothing at all. It would almost be stupid not to side with Zero/Lelouch at that point regardless of how you feel about the attack on the Order. If it was me I would just ask any of my disgruntled employees if they would mind killing the people who created such a destructive weapon.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that a lot of the spoilers have Schneizel revealing Lelouch's identity to the world, causing the Black Knights to believe he was just toying with them the entire time. Nothing confirmed, but so far the information from that source has been dead-on (it even included CC's memory loss).
In any case, people are clearly starting to lose faith in Lelouch at this moment in time (the dialogues from the soldiers tell you that). A faction split doesn't mean the Black Knights side with Britannia or anything crazy like that, it just means that they disagree with Lelouch. There is no obligation to pick the lesser of two evils if there is a third option that doesn't approve of either of them, so them disapproving of Schneizel more than Lelouch really has no influence on that.
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They know he is not Japanese though. He has told them this more than once, though it is true that almost no one knows that he is fallen royalty. I think it will have a much bigger impact on people that he goes to school with rather than people inside the Black Knights who already know that he is not Japanese. I would even imagine that even outside of his generals most would have figured that he is a Britannian. It isn't unheard of for Britannians to not like the empire when the Black knights started to really grow just before the first Black Rebellion that reporter guy did mention that they had Britannian collaboraters. Let's also not forget that Kallen is half Britannian and I doubt anyone in the Black Knights could question her hatred of Britannia.
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Oh, they're not so much concerned about him being Britannian as much as a member of the royal family. Think about it- your "savior' is the son of the person you're trying to kill, born from a culture known for looking down on you and using you. Although it naturally wouldn't apply to everyone, a significant number of people would have to think that they're being used in some sort of cruel game played for the royalty's entertainment, and at that point Zero in no longer a necessity. They have 47 nations united against Britannia- it's easier to remove all doubt and just do away with the prince.
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Oh, they're not so much concerned about him being Britannian as much as a member of the royal family. Think about it- your "savior' is the son of the person you're trying to kill, born from a culture known for looking down on you and using you. Although it naturally wouldn't apply to everyone, a significant number of people would have to think that they're being used in some sort of cruel game played for the royalty's entertainment, and at that point Zero in no longer a necessity. They have 47 nations united against Britannia- it's easier to remove all doubt and just do away with the prince.
I can see that definetly, however Zero/Lelouch is much more than his Geass it's his strategic ability that has made much of this possible. I would have to ask does it really matter if Zero/Lelouch is making a play for the throne of Britannia if he is creating a counter balance to Britannia's own power? It will be interesting to see how they do react. I wonder how many would take into account the fact that Zero/Lelouch has been killing people he is directly related to? Hell as far as messiah's go the fact that he is a prince may work in his favor, Moses after all was the adopted son of Pharoah.
Oh and there is the whole, unknown Britannian nobles killed his mother and crippled his sister. I wonder if he would tell them that to put to rest doubts about his hatred of Britannia.
Man this show kicks so much ass.
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Killing his family members doesn't matter if you use the train of thought that he's just been using the Black Knights as a means to eliminate other possible successors.
His mother being murdered and sister being crippled might, but it seems like he won't need the Black Knights after they oust him. With a insanely powerful few allies he's perfectly capable of taking down Charles, and it looks like his team members have some pretty ridiculous machines. I mean, you know he's not just going to leave Siegfried alone- that's definitely getting repaired or upgraded, and it was already the most powerful mech in the show.
I hate the wait in between episodes though, even if it does give me another thing to do.
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His mother being murdered and sister being crippled might, but it seems like he won't need the Black Knights after they oust him. With a insanely powerful few allies he's perfectly capable of taking down Charles, and it looks like his team members have some pretty ridiculous machines. I mean, you know he's not just going to leave Siegfried alone- that's definitely getting repaired or upgraded, and it was already the most powerful mech in the show.
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C.C.'s current memory loss could probably be defected by a kiss like what she did with Lelouch. 
It's probably temporary though but it's pretty much likely they'll fall in love all over again.
It's probably temporary though but it's pretty much likely they'll fall in love all over again.
