Vegetarianism
11 years ago
Posts: 122
Quote from 狂気
I understand your point of view.
But then again, it's not necessary to eat anything other than meat either. Of course the meat would need to be mostly fresh or otherwise the fats wouldn't include much any nutrients that are necessary. Couple of different things to take into consideration here. Fir ...
That now, is proof of how differently we see things. I don't particularly feel sad, nor am I a vegetarian cause I feel sad or pity the animals. Or even for the sake of nature or their population or whatever. I do it cause my priorities are different from most of the meat-eating population. A slightly better source of nutrition (which I don't agree it is), does not justify the use of lives. Thing is, I support the kill or be killed, or otherwise kill when you are ready to get killed, way of thinking. From what I can take from you, you seem to be in the majority of population, in thinking humans are superior and humans are HUMANS. That may not be exact, but that's generally how I've been interpreting your comments. Yea, legal hunting and all that, matter of fact, I don't care. It's always a shame when a species goes extinct,but legal hunting does not have a legal moral. Also, I don't CARE if it does good or not, to the big picture. As you said, things die when they do. Going extinct is a matter of course. I hate it when it is by human hands, but it's none of my business, and I will not work an ounce to prevent it. No reason after all, I don't know those animals personally, and I don't know those humans personally. Besides, I mentioned, hunters are generally better off in my opinion, in the part that they know they are taking lives instead of "killing" "items". I think most humans would think that way, cattle are things, meat are things. I've mentioned, I hate the ignorance. And also, I must stress AGAIN that this is none of my business, I won't do anything about it. But forums are places to speak opinions, and you've been taking this a tad too seriously. I'm no longer trying to convert anyone after all. Keep what you think, I'll keep mine.
Honestly, it's quite pointless to argue. I can never fully understand what you've been saying, nor do I particularly want to. The way we see these animal lives have been different.
As Knightzomegaz and someone else mentioned, this is getting too long, I didn't bother reading through the whole thing.
11 years ago
Posts: 833
Quote from reanmeih
From what I can take from you, you seem to be in the majority of population, in thinking humans are superior and humans are HUMANS. That may not be exact, but that's generally how I've been interpreting your comments.
Then I've got to once again raise the issue of reading comprehension. You didn't notice I raised several conflicting views? I understood what you said before but I don't understand your reasoning for this. Aren't you the one who considers humans a somewhat higher entities? It's fine for animals to kill other animals but not for humans? Animals don't kill just for the need of it. Many animals could also live without meat. How's that make it more wrong for them to eat meat still? Is everything wrong that doesn't have a life-threatening necessity as the reason for it?
I understand your point about the ignorance of taking lives to eat meat and I agree with it. But I think this is part of a bigger problem unrelated to eating habits directly.
Quote from reanmeih
But forums are places to speak opinions, and you've been taking this a tad too seriously.
As I've mentioned before, shouting opinions is just self-gratification. And what do you mean seriously? That we should just tell opinions without any basis as to why think like that? If you meant taking this to heart, that would be you, no?
Quote from reanmeih
Honestly, it's quite pointless to argue. I can never fully understand what you've been saying, nor do I particularly want to. The way we see these animal lives have been different.
As Knightzomegaz and someone else mentioned, this is getting too long, I didn't bother reading through the whole thing.
Here you do well to summarise one of the reasons for the ignorance you yourself pointed out and told you hate. Here you also tell the reason for you incorrect assumption as to what I believe and the reason why you are correct in the fact that it's pointless to argue (not generally, but argue with you). What Knight-boy says generally shouldn't be taken with much weight.
Many of your points would be understandable if you had some belief or conviction behind them. It's that lack of care (what I called nihilistic) that makes your reasons incomprehensible. Thought such baseless thinking is also very understandable (that is, common) I don't find it at all agreeable. But if that is so and that's all you've got to say about the subject, I'm ready to leave it at that.
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11 years ago
Posts: 122
Quote from 狂気
Then I've got to once again raise the issue of reading comprehension. You didn't notice I raised several conflicting views? I understood what you said before but I don't understand your reasoning for this. Aren't you the one who considers humans a somewhat higher entities? It's fine for animals to ...
This is exactly what I mean by you taking things too seriously. Well, that's just the polite way of saying things. In other words, it's starting to get annoying. But yea, I'm starting to loose interest, so let's just leave it at that. Honestly, I only read the first and last bits of that post lol. Otherwise I'd probably find myself trying to argue again. I'll put it plain and simple here, you annoy me. I don't particularly care what you think, though it's getting obvious that I'm taking what you say as insults, whatever you were thinking when typing those posts. I've been seeing you around, but really, I can't see why no one else came up and called you rude. Quoting Knightzomegaz was just a matter of convenience, something that you are making too big of a deal of. However, what you said obviously isn't the politest. Well, either ways, I don't care.
Member11 years ago
Posts: 1181
Quote from NightSwan
As in 2009, I'm still very much a meat lover.
It's one thing to eat an animal that was killed with a (hopefully) single blow or cut of the knife, and another entirely when eaten alive.
The very hard core moralist vegetarians might argue that meat is murder and all that jazz.
Sure.
If it came to it, I wouldn't mind being killed and then eaten. In that order.
Because around the world, there are people deranged enough to prepare the animal and eat it while it's still alive. Six lovely examples
This is insane and not in my opinion. It's just is.
Cultural differences be damned. This is torture.
Oh, just finished the whole thing, interesting but is brutal...
I also did try searching foei gras, this is what I got
Foei Gras pics
Aren't these things against some laws or somethin??
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What now, I'm being quoted then...
11 years ago
Posts: 833
Quote from reanmeih
This is exactly what I mean by you taking things too seriously. Well, that's just the polite way of saying things. In other words, it's starting to get annoying. But yea, I'm starting to loose interest, so let's just leave it at that. Honestly, I only read the first and last bits of that post lol. Otherwise I'd probably find myself trying to argue again. I'll put it plain and simple here, you annoy me. I don't particularly care what you think, though it's getting obvious that I'm taking what you say as insults, whatever you were thinking when typing those posts. I've been seeing you around, but really, I can't see why no one else came up and called you rude.
First of all I haven't once said you're wrong. I asked for your reasoning for it. You find yourself arguing? Argument is about giving persuading reasons for accepting a certain view, the very basis of philosophical conversation (one that conversation about vegetarianism which isn't just about the practical aspects of it is), look it up a dictionary or something.
I know I annoy you. I annoy you because I don't accept your views without question. I annoy you because for some weird reason you think I called you a murderer (I didn't), you thought I was being hostile (I wasn't), you think I'm putting down your beliefs (I'm not), you think I said humans are higher entities (I didn't), you think I'm making a big deal of this or taking it to heart (I'm not), you're assuming the worst of people and most of all I annoy you because you are not able to tell me your reasons when I ask them of you. This is hardly my problem.
I read all you wrote, I said I understand some of your points of view, I gave reasons for every view and asked about yours instead of assuming. You didn't even bother reading what I wrote, but instead assumed that I was being hostile and assumed my take on things (and were wrong about them). And you call me rude? You criticise me and then say you don't care. It sure doesn't seem that you don't care. I'd say you're the one taking things too seriously and to heart. And you're the one being rude.
I was trying to understand your reasoning for your beliefs if there is any. You're free to believe what you want and I never said otherwise. As for Knight-boy, he knows I don't mean anything bad by it. And anyway, he's not actually reading all this.
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