Opinion on the Confederacy.
11 years ago
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Mainly for Americans. More specifically for Southerners, other opinions welcomed.
Please specify where you are from and what answer you put.
If you're from the north then just say you're from the north, no need to specify states. You can if you want to though.
Same for people from the south.
People from other countries simply specify your country.
If you want to go into more detail just select other and explain it.
You may include ethnicity if you wish but lets keep this to being about states and states rights more than anything else. After all, there were African Americans in the Confederate Army and many are still proud of their ancestors.
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They did what they thought was right and I can respect that, but I don't agree with it.
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I just don't care. Canada.
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If I may ask a tangible, yet philosophical question...
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Is this reeeeeally the type of thread you should be making? "My color is White. My enemies are black and red."
Ya' don't say?
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If I may ask a tangible, yet philosophical question...
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Is this reeeeeally the type of thread you should be making? "My color is White. My enemies are black and red."
Ya' don't say?
I don't really see what that has to do with anything. It seems like you're implying that I'm racist. Which I'm not other than being against mixing. Other than that I'm totally fine with all races. Hell most African Americans and Asians I know are against mixing as well.
I would be glad to fight alongside people of all colors and I would be glad to march to hell with them.
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I cannot really say that I agree with the overall ideology behind the Confederacy, and I would in no way ever try to fight to support it. I am not from a southern state, so I haven't been raised in an environment that would foster support for that which the Confederacy stands; in other words I cannot care for the Confederacy because it has nothing to do with me on a personal scale. Had I been raised in a southern setting I may have agreed with the ideas, but I am quite solid on that I would not ever strive to take human lives for such a cause.
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If I may ask a tangible, yet philosophical question...
Quote from you_no_see_me_'s sig
[img]http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/whatcolor_iswhite.jpg[/img]
Is this reeeeeally the type of thread you should be making? "My color is White. My enemies are black and red."
Ya' don't say?
I don't really see what that has to do with anything. It seems like you're implying that I'm racist. Which I'm not other than being against mixing.
LOLWUT?
Do you even understand what you're saying here?
11 years ago
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He doesn't.
And as an aside, I feel the need to mention that I like how you, intentionally or not, seem to have my back. Thanks. When you reply, it gives me hope that common sense is still alive.
That said...
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It was a joke; lighten up. Although, honestly? That you're so quick to go on the defensive when I've made such an obvious joke is a little suspect...
Joking aside, I do question the reason anyone'd say this, no matter how historically accurate it is:
After all, there were African Americans in the Confederate Army and many are still proud of their ancestors
Errr...and? What's your point? I understand that there's obviously no spoken/physical context within written words, as evident by my little joke being taken the wrong way, but how am I supposed to interpret this statement? If you're serious, then I'm sorry, but I can only take it as a joke.
Anyway, to answer the question, no, I wouldn't fight for the confederate army because it'd be ridiculous to do so. If it's a southern belief that you should have the right to own a human being, then southern beliefs are a crook.
No, that's not all the confederates fought for, but it was more or less the crux of it, and the notion is absurd. I feel no need to elaborate anymore than this.
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Quote from you_no_see_me_
I don't really see what that has to do with anything. It seems like you're implying that I'm racist. Which I'm not other than being against mixing. Other than that I'm totally fine with all races. Hell most African Americans and Asians I know are against mixing as well.
I would be glad to fight a ...
Maybe you have not realized it yourself but you ARE in fact racist. If you are against intermarriage you are clearly racist. Racists can exist in any ethnicity so you don't need to be white.
When I saw the post title I was hoping it was a joke if some sort... Also my opinion on the confederate? Anyone who brings it up nowadays is using it as a smokescreen to hide some nasty opinions. I've yet to hear someone in this day and age be a clear supporter without some clear rascist tendencies. If we are.talking during that time frame..
A. I believe everyone should have the right be treated fairly.
B. I'm not a giant fan of states rights. Balance in all things. Having separate states allows us to use some as guinea pigs got me laws which is useful. Separating out districts makes elected roles simpler.
Also electoral college is performed idiotically.
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Ohh, this thread is somehow getting a little bit out of hand and is going against the topic creator,
Can‘t you guys just focus on the topic more rather than criticizing others,
And @Badkarma‘s post was good...
All are just my opinions ok ^^
I don‘t really care about this topic but I can‘t just leave it alone..
I also voted for I don‘t really care,
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He doesn't.
And as an aside, I feel the need to mention that I like how you, intentionally or not, seem to have my back. Thanks. When you reply, it gives me hope that common sense is still alive.
That said...
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It was a joke; lighten up. Although, honestly? That you're so quick to go on the ...
It's not a southern belief, just a racist belief.
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What is the Confederacy?
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The southern side in the American Civil War is the Confederacy. They fought to retain slavery and their lifestyle after seceding from the nation. The Union, under Abraham Lincoln, sought to emancipate the slaves and bring the South back to the nation. This is gist of it, but there are more stuff going on than that.
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Quote from Damnedman
The southern side in the American Civil War is the Confederacy. They fought to retain slavery and their lifestyle after seceding from the nation. The Union, under Abraham Lincoln, sought to emancipate the slaves and bring the South back to the nation. This is gist of it, but there are more stuff goi ...
If Lincoln could of saved the Union without abolishing slavery he would have done so. He was against slavery as a whole but believed preserving the Union to be more important.
Lincoln was actually not for the freeing of the slaves and created the emancipation proclamation as a military tactic to prevent French or British intervention on the side of the Confederacy as they relied heavily on Southern cotton. Them being against slavery Lincoln knew the chances they would get involved would drop significantly with that move.
The Union did NOT go to war to free the slaves. They went to war to preserve their country and main source of income. The south did indeed fight to preserve their culture and way of life that differed quite heavily from northern culture. Much of that old culture that was built on chivalry and honor is dead today.
Finally, let this be the last we bring the debate to race. The point of this was to see the favor of state's rights and not the belief in slavery. Everyone knows slavery is and was wrong.
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Yeah, I know that Lincoln put the Union before slavery, but I didn't want to get into the details, so the slavery vs no slavery is more or less what the war came down to, since that was the trigger which ignited the war and most Union men belived they were fighting for the emancipation. The honor and chivalry argument is pretty ironic though, since I don't see any honor or chivalry in preserving a culture where slavery is such an integral part of it.
