Jesus christ there is a major difference between this, it's fiction and reality.

One involves drawn pictures and the other a living, breathing human. Any sane person can differentiate the two and look at one and say "Yeah, I get that's not right and I would never do that" and "This is fiction that doesn't hurt anyone" and anyone who can't, or can and still would commit any illegal sexual acts on minors would do it EITHER WAY. This way, these people who are prone to do it, would just find another way to satisfy their needs and without any manga or such, who's to say they wouldn't start looking at actual child porn?

Is the solution really do just swipe it under the rug, say "that's taboo, don't even think about it"; alienate a way for /potential/ predators to suppress/cope with their urges? Mind you, I am not saying EVERYONE that reads/enjoys loli/shota deserves to be labeled a pedophile, far from it. But there is probably a certain percentage that could be, and I wouldn't want them to start looking for other ways to satisfy their sexual urges.

There are of course plenty more reasons not to make it illegal, which has been mentioned.

Sites, shops and such can certainly ban it if they want to, but like the person above me said: To illegalize it wouldn't make the problems go away.

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you don't know what antisocial means, the type of people you are talking about are sociopaths (you need a lot more then just antisocial behaviour to get the actions you have listed)

Me? I do know what antisocial means. It's just that antisocial behavior usually leads to worse things than petty crimes of inconsideration if nothing is done about it. By the way, sociopathy is called Antisocial Personality Disorder for a reason. 😉

no sociopathy is it's own thing
Antisocial Personality Disorder is one part of many, that makes someone a sociopath

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What are the two choices for? The first for loli and the second for shota? Because anyone who votes different on those is a serious hypocrite. Or is it the first for should be illegal and the second for should be banned, but those are practically the same thing....

20% to yes/yes as of now!

Moralfags, fucking moralfags everywhere!
Burn them all!

Edit: As a friend of mine once said, "If I can commit a crime with just a pencil and a paper in a closed room, then there's something seriously wrong with the system."

Dear "Yes/Yes People", it's all fiction. You might as well ban all crime-related fiction going by that logic. Ban all rape books, ban all murder and terrorism books.

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no sociopathy is it's own thing
Antisocial Personality Disorder is one part of many, that makes someone a sociopath

Remember, ASPD is a pretty broad definition just like the autistic spectrum (no, I'm not comparing them if someone think that). Sociopathy is a branch of it.
Anyway, we can agree on one thing about sociopaths. Society just ain't their forte. 🙂

No / No lol

Child porn is illegal in order to protect children from sexual abuse. No actual children are being harmed in loli/shota porn, so there is no reason to make it illegal.

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Voted yes/yes. It's sick. I don't get what grown adults find attractive about children. [...] Ban this garbage.

"I don't like it, so ban this shit!"

Hypocrites.

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No we don't agree, I am sick of dealing with people like you spending misinformation about Antisocial Personality Disorder for whatever insane reason you lot have

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Do you think loli / shota should be illegal or banned?, NO NO NO, if you cant separate fiction and reality you shouldn't be here, ITS FICTION plz dont compare real children with drawn characters, that's beyond stupidity >:-(

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20% to yes/yes as of now!

Moralfags, fucking moralfags everywhere!
Burn them all!

Edit: As a friend of mine once said, "If I can commit a crime with just a pencil and a paper in a closed room, then there's something seriously wrong with the system."

Dear "Yes/Yes People", it's all fiction. You might as well ban all crime-related fiction going by that logic. Ban all rape books, ban all murder and terrorism books..

There are a lot of crimes you can do with that btw.

Fraud, threats of violence, solicitation, medical malpractice through misinformation or lack of information, child pornography (loli/shota in a lot of countries), defamation that meets the legal burden, incitement to riot, perjury, false report, etc etc.

And please research what logical fallacy you committed with your last sentence. It would help you with your next argument.

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No we don't agree, I am sick of dealing with people like you spending misinformation about Antisocial Personality Disorder for whatever insane reason you lot have

Did I hurt you or something by stating facts I've read in actual official manuals and papers about psychiatry?
Well, whatever. We're already quite off topic so it's better to end it like that. 😃

you are causing harm every time you spend misinformation
every parent who believes false facts that say their kid with Antisocial Personality Disorder is a sociopath, leads to a kid being controlled and drugged

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Banning any sort of hand drawn or computer generated imagery that people view/create privately is absolutely insane. Just because you think it's sick or the people that view/create it are sick in no way justifies depriving people of it. IMO if the simple disgust you feel for something existing (and which you must personally decide to view) is the only negative effect, then you're showing a basic lack of empathy (It's really simple: just imagine if your own private pastime was deemed ban-able for the one reason that a larger group decided it was disgusting). And I don't believe the argument that says the main negative effect is that it gives people ideas and makes them significantly more likely to act on them.

I think loli, shota, futanari, yuri, scat and many other things are disgusting, but I'd never consider banning them.

Now on the other hand I believe actual child pornography should be banned because there are several other negative effects, e.g. children must be exploited for its creation.

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There are a lot of crimes you can do with that btw.

Fraud, threats of violence, solicitation, medical malpractice through misinformation or lack of information, child pornography (loli/shota in a lot of countries), defamation that meets the legal burden, incitement to riot, perjury, false report ...

closed room

Reading comprehension.

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And please research what logical fallacy you committed with your last sentence. It would help you with your next argument.

You could just tell him instead of trying to be a smartass about it. Apart from anything else, you just proved you can't read a short post properly, so you're not really in much of a position to not back yourself up.