I'm part of the minority here that doesn't hate Suzaku. I don't feel like stating my reasons why I don't hate him because I'll just be repeating what others have said.
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I'm part of the minority here that doesn't hate Suzaku. I don't feel like stating my reasons why I don't hate him because I'll just be repeating what others have said.
no offense but your avatar makes me hate him more...
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No, I do not like Suzaku. Maybe he is a "well-developed character," I don't know.
Most people dislike him because he is a self-righteous hypocrite. That's not exactly why I don't like him. I feel like all of his scenes seem very familiar and repetitive -I mean, in the beginning, I kept seeing "mentally unstable Suzaku" scenes, and now I'm seeing lots of "must be t3h right one" scenes. Every time I see him come up, I sigh because I'll already know what's coming. He just keeps on going on and on in circles, and when I think he's got somewhere, he goes back to to the start.
Also, I hate the "moral lesson" crap someone mentioned earlier. This is hard to explain, but I would really hate it if he ended up being some kind of a moral teacher for the series.
The claim that "the people who hate Suzaku are mostly Lelouch fangirls" is partly true, but it has a lot to do with Suzaku being self-righteous and idealistic. Technically, schneizel, the emperor, lloyd, and other britannian pals are as much of a threat to lelouch as suzaku, but I don't think they've gathered as many haters. It's more maddening to people if a person claims to be morally right (and does otherwise) while opposing the main character.
Most people dislike him because he is a self-righteous hypocrite. That's not exactly why I don't like him. I feel like all of his scenes seem very familiar and repetitive -I mean, in the beginning, I kept seeing "mentally unstable Suzaku" scenes, and now I'm seeing lots of "must be t3h right one" scenes. Every time I see him come up, I sigh because I'll already know what's coming. He just keeps on going on and on in circles, and when I think he's got somewhere, he goes back to to the start.
Also, I hate the "moral lesson" crap someone mentioned earlier. This is hard to explain, but I would really hate it if he ended up being some kind of a moral teacher for the series.
The claim that "the people who hate Suzaku are mostly Lelouch fangirls" is partly true, but it has a lot to do with Suzaku being self-righteous and idealistic. Technically, schneizel, the emperor, lloyd, and other britannian pals are as much of a threat to lelouch as suzaku, but I don't think they've gathered as many haters. It's more maddening to people if a person claims to be morally right (and does otherwise) while opposing the main character.
Umm. on your going in circles in part. Hasn't lelouch said he was going to throw away his feelings a few times? And yet he never does?
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The claim that "the people who hate Suzaku are mostly Lelouch fangirls" is partly true, but it has a lot to do with Suzaku being self-righteous and idealistic. Technically, schneizel, the emperor, lloyd, and other britannian pals are as much of a threat to lelouch as suzaku, but I don't think they've gathered as many haters. It's more maddening to people if a person claims to be morally right (and does otherwise) while opposing the main character.
Actually I claim that it's mostly Lelouch fanboys- the fangirls seem to like Suzaku for yaoi pairings and such, while the fanboys see Lelouch as some sort of God.
But regardless, he's just as idealistic as countless other characters that don't have a massive following of people hating them (just to throw out names, he's pretty much identical to Kira Yamato, who has been ranking in first or second for anime character popularity polls since Gundam SEED came out). He's just a traditional hero stuck in an antagonist's slot (which, IMO, is one of the things that makes him a genuinely interesting character).
As to the rest of the antagonists not having negative followings- he personally gets in the way of Lelouch's business more than any of the other characters. If I really need to prove the point further, just pop on to some other forum and look at the legions of people who now hate the Black Knights for betraying Lelouch -_-;;. I'm still not saying it applies to everyone, but it's definitely either the majority of the haters or a much more vocal minority.
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I'm part of the minority here that doesn't hate Suzaku. I don't feel like stating my reasons why I don't hate him because I'll just be repeating what others have said.
no offense but your avatar makes me hate him more...
lol, i know right?
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I'm part of the minority here that doesn't hate Suzaku. I don't feel like stating my reasons why I don't hate him because I'll just be repeating what others have said.
no offense but your avatar makes me hate him more...
lol, i know right?
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I did dislike him for a time but I like him again now. I'm fickle like that, lol.
I'm a Lelouch fangirl, in case your interested and yaoi disturbs me somewhat (no offense to yaoi fans out there) so definitely don't like Suzaku just for the yaoi pairings.
To put simply he interests me . He did bore me for a while with all the righteous speeches but now he's become more intersting again, not as good as Lelouch but he ranks second because we see more of Lelouch and he's more conflicted than others so he's more complex which I like.
The one I REALLy hate is Nina. That girl should die!
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I'm a Lelouch fangirl, in case your interested and yaoi disturbs me somewhat (no offense to yaoi fans out there) so definitely don't like Suzaku just for the yaoi pairings.
To put simply he interests me . He did bore me for a while with all the righteous speeches but now he's become more intersting again, not as good as Lelouch but he ranks second because we see more of Lelouch and he's more conflicted than others so he's more complex which I like.
The one I REALLy hate is Nina. That girl should die!
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The one I REALLy hate is Nina. That girl should die!
Thats the geek, right? If so...
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Actually I claim that it's mostly Lelouch fanboys- the fangirls seem to like Suzaku for yaoi pairings and such, while the fanboys see Lelouch as some sort of God.
As to the rest of the antagonists not having negative followings- he personally gets in the way of Lelouch's business more than any of the other characters. If I really need to prove the point further, just pop on to some other forum and look at the legions of people who now hate the Black Knights for betraying Lelouch -_-;;. I'm still not saying it applies to everyone, but it's definitely either the majority of the haters or a much more vocal minority.
As to the rest of the antagonists not having negative followings- he personally gets in the way of Lelouch's business more than any of the other characters. If I really need to prove the point further, just pop on to some other forum and look at the legions of people who now hate the Black Knights for betraying Lelouch -_-;;. I'm still not saying it applies to everyone, but it's definitely either the majority of the haters or a much more vocal minority.
those statements are so true it's not even funny. a majority of Lelouch's faults are practically the same as Suzaku's. it's just that his "worshipers" make it out to be that it's ok for his end while Suzaku is a hypocrite.
but it doesn't end with him though it's like you said it's anyone who's not kissing the floor Lelouch walks on is seen as less than him. cause of things like that the show seems less and less as good as it should be. i wonder who's gonna pop up next on "i hate this character for standing Lelouch-sama's way" list next. 
also as a side note i want to point out that it seems people forget that Lelouoch has been trying to recruit Suzaku for pretty much all of S1, so it makes me wonder if he's as crappy as everyone wants to make him out to be. especially if Lelouch has been trying to get him on the team for that long.
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If Suzaku joined Lelouch in Episode 03, Lelouch would have a much easier time with Britannia. 
Suzaku is a really valuable asset in terms of mecha power.
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Suzaku takes hypocrisy to the extreme.
If there were a show about e-x-treme hypocrisy, Suzaku would be the host.
His opening phrase would probably be: "I hate all this killing, but I shall kill you all in the name of an oligarchy who turned my people into second-class citizens over night. And remember, killing is bad! Pyu~un"
He would probably slice open the throat of his kinsmen right after giving his opening phrase, just to emphasize his hypocrisy.
Seriously folks, I question the mental stability of a young man who's self righteousness slaps him in the face (of course, if his ego isn't causing him to play hero right then.)
If there were a show about e-x-treme hypocrisy, Suzaku would be the host.
His opening phrase would probably be: "I hate all this killing, but I shall kill you all in the name of an oligarchy who turned my people into second-class citizens over night. And remember, killing is bad! Pyu~un"
He would probably slice open the throat of his kinsmen right after giving his opening phrase, just to emphasize his hypocrisy.
Seriously folks, I question the mental stability of a young man who's self righteousness slaps him in the face (of course, if his ego isn't causing him to play hero right then.)
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Susaku is a pain in Lelouch's arse, lol.
I gotta say that I hate him, because he's principles are little wacked but he holds on to them as if they're always right.
I hate him but Code Geass is kinda great because of him. If Susaku wasn't there I'd probably hate Lelouch.
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I gotta say that I hate him, because he's principles are little wacked but he holds on to them as if they're always right.
I hate him but Code Geass is kinda great because of him. If Susaku wasn't there I'd probably hate Lelouch.
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Suzaku takes hypocrisy to the extreme.
If there were a show about e-x-treme hypocrisy, Suzaku would be the host.
His opening phrase would probably be: "I hate all this killing, but I shall kill you all in the name of an oligarchy who turned my people into second-class citizens over night. And remember, killing is bad! Pyu~un"
If there were a show about e-x-treme hypocrisy, Suzaku would be the host.
His opening phrase would probably be: "I hate all this killing, but I shall kill you all in the name of an oligarchy who turned my people into second-class citizens over night. And remember, killing is bad! Pyu~un"
There's actually a difference between having a contradiction in your position and being hypocritical, which I think is something a lot of people don't entirely understand here.
Being hypocritical would have either have Suzaku actively killing every Japanese he could find, or saying he cared about honor and the like when in reality he acted the same as Lelouch (just as examples). His actual position has logic and reasoning behind his actions that justify them from his standpoint- but that doesn't make his position correct by any means. Like pretty much everyone else, I agree that his methods don't actually work very well, but simply calling him hypocritical reduces the complexity of his character and only serves to prove the fact that you don't entirely understand it.
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And a message to Lelouch fanboys- Lelouch actually says "it's just as Suzaku said, all that matters are the means" in the extended preview for 21 :|...
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Being hypocritical would have either have Suzaku actively killing every Japanese he could find, or saying he cared about honor and the like when in reality he acted the same as Lelouch (just as examples). His actual position has logic and reasoning behind his actions that justify them from his standpoint- but that doesn't make his position correct by any means. Like pretty much everyone else, I agree that his methods don't actually work very well, but simply calling him hypocritical reduces the complexity of his character and only serves to prove the fact that you don't entirely understand it.
I could argue about the stand-point of "hypocrisy" and the "contradiction of position," however, that would be arguing semantics, and I hope everyone here is above that.
I feel that the character of Suzaku is less complex than people have been led to believe. From where I stand and as I interpret the character of Suzaku, I feel that he was forced into his position by the writers because they wanted to have Lelouche to have an antagonist (or protagonist... take it as you will,) that had history with him and would forcibly evoke emotion from the audience. The existence of Suzaku isn't wrong by any means, nor is it unnatural, but I think that the dialogue given to the character Suzaku is hardly appropriate and seems... forced. You can almost see the strings.
But we could always say that he is supposed to be a messy character, psychologically... if you want to take the bait.
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I could argue about the stand-point of "hypocrisy" and the "contradiction of position," however, that would be arguing semantics, and I hope everyone here is above that.
I feel that the character of Suzaku is less complex than people have been led to believe. From where I stand and as I interpret the character of Suzaku, I feel that he was forced into his position by the writers because they wanted to have Lelouche to have an antagonist (or protagonist... take it as you will,) that had history with him and would forcibly evoke emotion from the audience. The existence of Suzaku isn't wrong by any means, nor is it unnatural, but I think that the dialogue given to the character Suzaku is hardly appropriate and seems... forced. You can almost see the strings.
Post Script: Crenshinibon doesn't have anything on Jarl Axle.
I feel that the character of Suzaku is less complex than people have been led to believe. From where I stand and as I interpret the character of Suzaku, I feel that he was forced into his position by the writers because they wanted to have Lelouche to have an antagonist (or protagonist... take it as you will,) that had history with him and would forcibly evoke emotion from the audience. The existence of Suzaku isn't wrong by any means, nor is it unnatural, but I think that the dialogue given to the character Suzaku is hardly appropriate and seems... forced. You can almost see the strings.
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A lot of geass (especially R2) does seem forced, but I honestly disagree as to his dialogue being primarily unnatural. However, that''s entirely interpretive, and there's no real reason to argue over it.
Just for the record: I actually like Entreri more than anyone else, but Crenshinibon make for a more random, obscure word that people rarely recognize.
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