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It doesn't really matter if you say it does or it does not produce 'sound', it all depends or definition and interpretation.

Thank you! Guys, come on, this is not a philosophical question, it's an argument of definition! It boils down to: do you consider sound to be vibrations in the air, or to be the auditory experience that occurs when something hears those vibrations? The fact that both concepts use the same word is what triggers an argument, so let's tidy this up.

Let's say the "vibration" definition for sound is actually called VibraSounds. And the "experience" definition is actually called "HearingSounds".

So, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Answer: It makes VibraSounds but not HearingSounds.

Can we stop now?

No because it is more fun if it keeps going, I'm fond of arguments like this (which completely annoys those around me) and for my own personal enjoyment will help keep this thread going.

All choices are made in fear,
What you fear more is the only difference.
Positive decisions are made in fear negative consequences,
Negitive decisions are made in fear of positive decisions not giving the outcome you want.
Embarrassment is the fear of people knowing your real thoughts.
Greed is the fear of having too little.

Demonblaze0's personal thoughts

So basically what you're saying is that this thread is basically a trolling thread, right?
I see.

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Everyday I'm tumblin'

Quote from jasonthomas

If you close your eyes and plug your ears, does the world cease to exist?

But if I hit you it will still hurt, just kidding, no can't remember who but someone famous said "I think therefore I am" meaning as long as you think you ascertain your own existence which then, through you, proves the worlds existence as long as you live, however you manage to erase your thoughts and senses completely and permanently then at least to your existence the world would no longer exist but to someone observing you both you and the world would exist.
(And with this we have a first real philosophical reply, although not to the topic)

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So basically what you're saying is that this thread is basically a trolling thread, right?
I see.

not quite because as much as possible I try to follow the topic and first post and refrain from disrupting the online community.
I only troll when fishing.

All choices are made in fear,
What you fear more is the only difference.
Positive decisions are made in fear negative consequences,
Negitive decisions are made in fear of positive decisions not giving the outcome you want.
Embarrassment is the fear of people knowing your real thoughts.
Greed is the fear of having too little.

Demonblaze0's personal thoughts

i have a feeling this will be locked soon 😛
before its locked i want to say that
i think the universe ceases to exist without conscious minds to perceive it

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Quote from jasonthomas

If you close your eyes and plug your ears, does the world cease to exist?

Precisely! Everything in this world exists entirely separate from our perceptions. (And I think it's selfish—but innately human—to think otherwise. It makes us feel better.)

I agree with you in that it is a mere selfish human notion to think the world only exists when we perceive it, but I think it loses all the meaning we conceive in accordance to our observations of the world once we are not there to perceive it. Yes, if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, it does make a sound. That is a fact that can proven. However, it loses meaning-it is free of our interpretation and therefore loses significance to humans. I'm not saying anything that goes on in the world away from human notice is not significant it just no longer impresses upon those who would remark upon its existence. We can say this world exists because we exist by each other. The true nature of sound can exist without us-but without us, what is there to say it is there?

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i have a feeling this will be locked soon 😛
before its locked i want to say that
i think the universe ceases to exist without conscious minds to perceive it

Well considering it's done quite a bit of developing without anyone looking at it, I'm going to have to say I find that hypothesis highly unlikely.

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

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i have a feeling this will be locked soon 😛
before its locked i want to say that
i think the universe ceases to exist without conscious minds to perceive it

Well considering it's done quite a bit of developing without anyone looking at it, I'm going to have to say I find that hypothesis highly unlikely.

really,it makes sense,i mean theres no way anything will exist without the perception of it
like,with ppl we have to compare ourselves with others to reafirm ourselves,so if there no conscious lives,then theres nothing

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Quote from sarah-eats-cupcakes

i have a feeling this will be locked soon 😛
before its locked i want to say that
i think the universe ceases to exist without conscious minds to perceive it

Well considering it's done quite a bit of developing without anyone looking at it, I'm going to have to say I find that hypothesis highly unlikely.

really,it makes sense,i mean theres no way anything will exist without the perception of it
like,with ppl we have to compare ourselves with others to reafirm ourselves,so if there no conscious lives,then theres nothing (Highlight emphasis are belong to me)

Why so certain? Has anybody ever observed the non-existence of an unobserved event? I dare doubt that.
And hermits can reaffirm themselves by themselves just fine.

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i have a feeling this will be locked soon 😛
before its locked i want to say that
i think the universe ceases to exist without conscious minds to perceive it

Well considering it's done quite a bit of developing without anyone looking at it, I'm going to have to say I find that hypothesis highly unlikely.

really,it makes sense,i mean theres no way anything will exist without the perception of it
like,with ppl we have to compare ourselves with others to reafirm ourselves,so if there no conscious lives,then theres nothing

By that logic, all objects would be perfectly hollow, since we can only perceive their outer layers.
This clearly isn't the case(since rocks aren't light as feathers and the earth hasn't collapsed due to an empty core yet).

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

Yes?

Before we knew about gravity it still did its job.
Before we were aware of the universe it continued to expand.

Even though it may not exist to us in our personal world it still exists.

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yes.
no ifs.

grammar mistake is intentional, grammar nazis need their entertainment.

I will say yes...

But lets argue this why don't we. Well does i am gonna say no. Do to quantum mechanic's observation paradox it say that well... like nothing is really where we see it or there at all. So if no one is there to hear it, heck did the tree even fall? Ahh...!! Quantum mechanic blows brain think about it and its seems i cant even explain it.

here watch this little animated vid, it explains some of it quite well and is quite enjoyable to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMzh0gTTJI8&feature=fvst

so.... no it doesn't?

Someday my memories will fade...and her voice, her actions, I might forget them as well, but I will always remember that I loved Saber...
Emiya Shirou (Fate/stay Night)