if you remember, ulquiorra said that ichigos overall reiatsu was even greater than his at its peak, but it fluctuates an awful lot, making him super strong and super weak. it should be obvious that ichigos bankai is not complete at this point. tensa zangetzu means heavenly chains moon slicer, not broken chains moon slicer. and i think that the vizard's masks are not the complete vizard form. we did see kensei in a complete hollow transformation a while back. there should be more to the vizards power than the masks ans cero. the plot for the next chapters is obvious and i think i dont ahve to say anything about it.
now, will chad get full hollow armor or what...?

firstly adjuchas class hollows are comparable to lieutenants, if an adjuchas becomes an arrancar then their power is similar to a captains. we know for sure that espada 5 to 10 were originally adjuchas (unless there is some major twist with the no. 10 yammi) and therefore their powers are comparable to a captain.

the power of vasto lorde is supposedly greater than the average captain. if the top 4 espada were originally vasto lorde then their powers are off the scale. logically, none of the captains stand a chance against them.

as for the actual forum topic, remember that this is a shounen. there are bound to be inconsistancies. kubo tite has tried to keep everything in context with the bleach power levels but i reckon he gets carried away sometimes. we know that ichigo had problems with his inner hollow, we know that he barely gets a break between battles and we know that he just a human and his powers are not very well developed. but we still think he is pussy for getting beat up so much.

i guess we just care too much about ichigo. hell i love all the bleach characters, even luppi the ex espada who was OWNED by grimmjow lol!

if anything ichigo's most likely getting weaker and weaker, his hollow did say something about him having to pull his own wieght now, so theirs gonna be alot less interference on the hollow's side meaning that in a way ichigo is losing part of his edge.But the captains also got a power raise that just seems outta place period. There isnt any reason for that one, unless it took alot longer to train ichigo in getting his mask out in the first place, other than that there arent that many time lapse's where the captains could have miraculously increased in power. So its most likely the mangaka evening things out so the good guys come out on top.
Then again this is part of the reason why im starting to not really wanna read bleach or naruto its getting ridiculous, at least naruto makes sense most of the time

I don't think its him getting really that much weaker. Its his foes getting that much stronger. Right now He isn't getting any super new abilities that much, but knowing bleach it'll happen.

not entirely sure but wasn't the espada that rukia kill the only one that was an adjucas

Apparantly some people just don't get that Ichigo's wins against the Captains were mere flukes. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's because he had the desire to protect someone, plus his plot armor boost that made him defeat the Captains in the first place. It was necessary for the plot to proceed. The Captains aren't the ones that are inconsistent, it's Ichigo that's inconsistent.

Like Ulquiorra said, he has varying power levels.

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all i can say is watch bleach movie dimond dust rebellion.
If you see kenpachi using his enormous power to break 1/3 of the huge castle you can tell that he held back against ichigo. Since all Ichigo could do was nothing compared to that

btw ichigo didnt beat bakyuya it was a draw. 😔

and yes ichigo is weak

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not entirely sure but wasn't the espada that rukia kill the only one that was an adjucas

No...he was the only Gillian. Yammy and the rest are adjuchas and the top 4 are vast lords

Taking in consideration that Ichigo beat Kenpachi, so:

Ichigo>Kenpachi
IchigoNnoitra

results: WTF?

Ichigo is the pussiest ever.

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firstly adjuchas class hollows are comparable to lieutenants, if an adjuchas becomes an arrancar then their power is similar to a captains. we know for sure that espada 5 to 10 were originally adjuchas (unless there is some major twist with the no. 10 yammi) and therefore their powers are comparable to a captain.

the power of vasto lorde is supposedly greater than the average captain. if the top 4 espada were originally vasto lorde then their powers are off the scale. logically, none of the captains stand a chance against them.

as for the actual forum topic, remember that this is a shounen. there are bound to be inconsistancies. kubo tite has tried to keep everything in context with the bleach power levels but i reckon he gets carried away sometimes. we know that ichigo had problems with his inner hollow, we know that he barely gets a break between battles and we know that he just a human and his powers are not very well developed. but we still think he is pussy for getting beat up so much.

i guess we just care too much about ichigo. hell i love all the bleach characters, even luppi the dickhead ex espada who was OWNED by grimmjow lol!

umm i think that nnoitra was a vasto lorde. grimmjow was the king of adjuchas menos so that would make nnoitra a vasto lorde.
and nnoitra is the coolest espada!

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Apparantly some people just don't get that Ichigo's wins against the Captains were mere flukes. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's because he had the desire to protect someone, plus his plot armor boost that made him defeat the Captains in the first place. It was necessary for the plot to proceed. The Captains aren't the ones that are inconsistent, it's Ichigo that's inconsistent.

Like Ulquiorra said, he has varying power levels.

captain kuchiki definitely went easy on ichigo. no way in hell can his type of zanpakutoh hold up against a hundred million cherry blossoms.

Why ichigo got weaker? Because it drives the story further. If ichigo in bankai mode stays as strong as he was in soul city he would stand at the top of the captains, therefor making the battle hollows vs soul city useless, degrading all captains to sidecaracters. Since little byakuya on the one hand is popular among the readers and many captains have yet revealed their true bankai on the other hand, its logical to recycle the characters by letting them undergo artificial training. By doing that the captain can again be lined up against the espadas. Ensuring at least 100 chapters of senseless battles and 2 years of save meals for the mangaka.

I can still remember the chapter when old grandpa says espadas are on captain level and have to be faced 3 vs 1 to make sure that no captain dies. grandpa analyzed that only 5 espadas would be enough to doom soul city, followed by Aizen scene who greets his 12 teammembers ^^. This had impact!

From this we can assume a logical error in the power relationship. The training of the captains followed by their energy growth couldnt be possibly proportional or reasonable. The captains who were largely beaten by ichigo can now dominate the espadas who at first seemed unstoppable. small byakuya, f.e. had troubles fighting "fingernail" a mere vasta lord.Now he fights against espada number 3 (the 3 stands for her amazing curves), while ichigo who beat grimmjow fails to fight espada number 4. The author realized that its unrealistic and yet in order to recycle the popular characters and to continue the story until ichigo receives a fatal blow from fish eye which is the trigger for orihime to restore the key, he tells the reader that this all is possible because all captains underwent harsh training to prepare for battle, but on the same time leaving out any hints about how they trained or how they were able to reach the new energy level that rapidly. Kube Tite knew it would suck for the main character if the captains, who were defeated by ichigo a few chapters before, were yet again made stronger, stronger than him. But there was no other way. Ichigo couldnt be made weaker. His handycap with the hollow mask being unstable was already solved, the time limit clichee was used up in the fight against grimmjow and there were simply no reasons left for him to be weaker than fisheye except for being totally overpowered by fisheye himself. Now that ichigo officially suck, its time for ichigo to die and be reborn by a new power: Orihime 's moster tits. They are so big that Soul City and hollows go at war and forced even Rukia to take up weapons and compete in sexiness.

I wonder if Kube Tite reads my comments, go! I want more Orihime X Rukia scenes!

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Is Ichigo getting weaker?

This is why I am asking this -
when you achieve bankai you are supposed to get 5-10 times stronger than your shikai (or is it shinkai i forget) state. Ichigo defeated Kenpachi while he was in his shikai state but it took everything he had do break even with Byakuya in his bankai state (aren't Kenpachi and Byakuya supposed to be close in power).
and when you become able to control the hollow inside you, you are supposed to get a lot more stronger again right? but when Ichigo fought Grimm Jow it took everything he had to defeat him but then Kenpachi comes and kills the no. 5 espada who is supposed to be stronger than Grimm Jow who is a no. 6 espada. doesn't this make you wonder if Ichigo is really getting stronger or is he at the same strength and just simply learning new transformations without any real increase in his strength?

If there is another thread like this please feel free to delete this one (i didn't find one)

dude, dont pay attention to that crap. Bleach is just one big plot hole, with continuity errors at every turn. The only reason I read it anymore is for the actions scenes. Don't give a crap about the story anymore. Just got too ridiculous, and filled with more holes than swiss cheese

I"m not gonna bother to read the other replies so if this is repeated then I'm sorry

I'm pretty sure that in the soul society everything is made up of spirit particles so they can draw on that and that makes Ichigo much stonger even tho his skill might not be at the same level as Kenpachi or or Byakuya. If you watched the bount arc you would know that quincy and bount can absorb the things around them and use them to make them stronger Ishida does this when he fights the weird science captain with the blue hair.

So i think that Kenpachi is getting stronger as well and has more experience so that is why he was able to defeat #5. Also there was Nel fighting #5.

I bet if Ichigo had been fully healed he could have taken #5 but thats just because Ichigo can't die yet that would ruin everything

anyways thats what i think... i think my info is right

Ichigo sucks, he doesn't even know kidou ffs, and besides he has his new imba hollow form in 350

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Ichigo is mental Week!!! Yap i said it but thats not the only weakness he has. But that is the main reason why he keep on losing...