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I am, for the most part on many issues, a Republican. Reason being, I've worked hard for my success, be it financial or otherwise. It's not about keeping myself rich and fat, it's about keeping what's mine. Democrats, for the most part, believe that we should help those who refuse to help themselves. Opting to give money to people (and other nation) without much just cause, simply because, "They need it and we have it." While ignoring issues at home, like our own poverty problems and our own homeless.

The idea of standing up for the 'little man' is great and all, however, I've rarely meet someone on well-fare or medi-care that was actually trying to get out of the situation they're in. They've accepted their roles and are content to suckling off the tits of America, mainly the tax money of the people. Republicans are not against progression, we're strongly for it. However, we believe whoever needs the backing of the government, must be willing to meet us at least at the half-way mark.

Democrats are overly progressive without any reason of limitation. They take on far more than they can handle and then guess which party normally has the clean up the mess: The Republicans. Democrats want to change everything, forgetting that those changes effect a lot of people. Many of whom don't want change. They'll change or add pointless laws that will make 1/5 of the population feel safer, but will not have actually achieved anything at all and wasted millions of dollars in the process. In the process of trying to help the little man, they forget about the collective whole. That though America is a place where the minority's voices will be herd, it is still a nation of where majority rule is what moves our nation. Not the minority issues (and to be honest, there's a reason why very little people give a damn about those issues to begin with).

Everyone is equal in theory, but in reality, we're not. It's a sad fact of life, but I'm not equal to Bill Gates. He's far more intelligent than I am and I have a better taste in fashion than him. Should he then be force to split some of his hard earn success with me? No, obviously not. Not everyone is equal and there is no way in hell we can lie to ourselves that everyone is. However, because we're in America, we all have the same equal rights and privileges to be as rich as Bill Gates, and at the same time, to be as poor as a street bum. It's the double edge sword that makes our country the greatest on this planet.

Republicans are about working within the realm of capability and the present. We try to make the economy grow to create better jobs and lessen taxes on the little people, so they can get more back on their taxes. We try to keep laws simple and effective, preferring to make laws that will actually prevent injuries, deaths, or other injustice, as oppose to simply passing laws out of our own irrational fear so that we feel safer, but nothing has actually been accomplished.

Of course, there are the whackos and there are many issues I'm not Republican on. However, those will take up for more space and time, more than what I'd like to continue to contribue. Considering that my post has been the longest thus far (sorry, had to stand up for my Rep. brothers and sisters).


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Just wanted to say that there are pros and cons with everything.. And I was already aware of all the things that you just said.. One of my teachers keeps drilling about this sort of stuff..

But I wouldn't mind it at all giving money that I don't currently need.. to taxes or something else.. I mean, it's just collecting dust there, as a figure of speech.. To be frank, it's kind of egotistical.. If you just have a pile of money there somewhere.. Just in case.. 🙄

Also one of the reasons that there is such a huge gap between rich and poor, is because rich people sort of compete against each other.. They know they have enough money, and that they could give it away to aid people.. But at the same time they want to get richer, and impress their rich friends.. which in turn want them to get richer.. which leaves a few pennies to the poor..

And if those lazy ones aren't willing to change, you have to make them change.. and a government has the power to do that..

You can also put a limit to wellfare.. One year max.. Then you don't get wellfare anymore..

But could you explain what wellfare contains..? I'm not that familiar with the English term.. 🤣 I assume it's giving money to people who don't have jobs..?


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You're idea of wel-fare is close, but off slightly. Wel-Fare is basically giving money to the people who're not able to fully provide for themselves or their family. And, in the idea world, with an ideal economy, and an ideal working class, it would work great. However, this isn't the ideal world. Many recipients of Wel-Fare don't work at all and chooses to live off of the 'loop holes' in America's financial aid system. In point, they may not only be on Wel-Fare, but several other Gov't Financial Aid as well: IE social security or disability...etc...all of which comes out of tax payers money. And though we've tried several times in the past to be a cap on how long these people can collect on welfare, it has never been successfully followed through or enforced.

As for the gap...yes, the gap exists. However, I am a living example that it can be overcome through hardwork and the desire to succeed. My parents came over from Asia in their teens. Barely able to speak the language, yet they were able to get by well enough. We grew up very VERY poor. To me, school was not only a place to go to learn, but also a place to go for indoor heating during the winter and daily hot meals.

But I went on to succeed academically because I wanted something better. Yes, I used MANY a gov't grants and financial aid to get to where I'm at. But I can guarantee you, I've paid it all back and more already. I am only in my mid-twenties and I already own a home, managing my own business, and have a great career. My goal of being a millionaire by the age of thirty is no longer in question, in fact, I'm actually ahead of schedule and could see that number before I'm the decade is up. I do not have a college degree, though I've taken a few college courses to help me plan for my intended futures and goals better.

Now then, should I feel obligated to have to give the extra earnings I've earned away, only to see it spend on fruitless gov't projects like our failing education systems? Or to make pointless stupid laws that empowers the poor, but limits the rights of hardworking people like me?

Me thinks not. I give to charity, many of them. However, I am greedy with my money, not because I don't believe in helping, but because it's what I've earned. Not from stealing, not from cheating, not from lying, but my own blood, sweat, and tears. I'd like to have the say in how I choose to spend it or give it. And, I don't know about you, but my money isn't just sitting in some cupboard collecting dust (figuratively). Many of it is actually safely invested in bonds and stocks, growing over time to be something much much more. Insuring that, in my old age, I don't have to worry about my financial situation, nor do my children (should I choose to have any). And, in that sense, I believe it goes for ALL people. It's their money, and it's their right to decide what they want to do with it, after the gov't has taken what it needs from it. They shouldn't have to give it away, nor should they feel some kind of obligation to do so. It their own hard earned money. If they want to give it away, great on them. If they don't, that's just a well. There's nothing greedy or malicious about, and I'm sickened by those who try to paint that picture.

The rich and powerful are not feuding amongst themselves, if anything, it's the opposite. In all honesty, the 'war' between the poor and the wealthy rarely effect either of them, it effects the middle working class people like me. The rich rides on our back while the poor suck on our earnings. The rich don't mind paying millions a year to taxes, they already have billions in the savings. The poor receive hundreds of thousands back from the gov't, that they spend pointlessly, only to scream for more when it's gone. It's the middle working class that suffer when bigger tax breaks are dished out, because we are the backbone of America's economy. Many laws pass by Democrats, though meant to target the filthy rich, hurt us a hell of a lot more than the wealthy billionaires. It's laws that're handled by the Rep. Party for the most part that help the working class keep what they've earned.

Plus, what's great about America is, the Gov't can not force you to do anything against your own will, within the means of legal reasons. We can't just force people to get jobs or become financially independent. We can only show them the door, it's their job to step thru it.


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Quote from Dr. Love

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[quote=E-chan52]So I guess MU is getting into the political game. 🤣

Our party name shall be "Spammers" 😃

I was right. 🤣

I donno what I am? I kinda Anti-politics. I don't vote. Not even for school club officers. 😔
Maybe Democratic-Repubilcans? That's as far as I'd go.

That post kind of inspired me actually.. 🤣

I don't get why some don't vote in America.. Here, in Belgium, everyone has to vote from age 18..

I don't vote here...i find all politicians corrupt anyway >.>[/quote]
You are from US right? If you came to Brasil you would know how good your country is...
By the way, there is a country in Europe in which politics is a voluntary job right? Can someone tell me which?


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I'm too lazy to answer to all that.. 🤣

But here's a quick summary of political standpoints from 'left' to 'right':..

Extreme Left: Communism..(I think this is one of the greatest examples of things that work in theory, but fail miserably when you actually do it in reality..)

Then there's the Green Party..

Then the Democrats(common left/progressive): stands up for Society; usually includes the labourers(?), farmers, the poor, and foreigners/immigrants..

One word for it: Socialism

Then there's the inbetween area..

Then the Republicans(common right/conservative): stands up for the Individual/A Small Core Group; usually includes the 'nobility', 'Bourgeoisie' which are the the upper/high middle class, the rich people of course, and autochthones(originating from the country..)

One word for it: Liberalism/Capitalism.. Two actually.. 🤣

Then there's extreme right.. Fascisme:

And then there's extreme extreme right:.. Nazisme..


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[quote=E-chan52][quote=E-chan52]So I guess MU is getting into the political game. 🤣

Our party name shall be "Spammers" 😃

I was right. 🤣

I donno what I am? I kinda Anti-politics. I don't vote. Not even for school club officers. 😔
Maybe Democratic-Repubilcans? That's as far as I'd go.

That post kind of inspired me actually.. 🤣

I don't get why some don't vote in America.. Here, in Belgium, everyone has to vote from age 18..

I don't vote here...i find all politicians corrupt anyway >.>[/quote]
You are from US right? If you came to Brasil you would know how good your country is...
By the way, there is a country in Europe in which politics is a voluntary job right? Can someone tell me which?[/quote]
nope I'm from the Philippines, which apparently from the news America has a hard time understanding our politics because of its confusing state...unlike America, which has a permanent political party, if you're a democrat...you're democrat, if you're republican...you're republican...here alliances shift constantly...say you're a congressman for the republican party during the reign of a republican president once a democratic president steps up you immediately shift to democratic party just to ally yourself with the president...another example is the plunder case of the former president...the current gov't spent millions to convict him of plunder then a week after he is pardoned by the president and even offered a position in office...which the former president refused because the current gov't is full of corruption...the reason for the offer is because the former president was a man of the people while the current isn't and the current needs to gain the trust of the people etc. etc.

so...this is politics...former president is a man of the people but has been convicted for plunder of 700 million...however in law it is not considered plunder but ill gotten wealth because it was through illegal gambling...not taking the money of the gov't

and the current which has not been caught but is already rumored for corruption and not on the peoples side...there are rumors that the previous election was tampered with due to the "Hello Garci" tape a recording of the current president(on her second term) about the elections...

or so i here...i don't really pay much attention to politics...


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I don't identify with the democrats or the repuclicans, nor with one of the 5 german partys, but I guess I'll vote democrat on the poll because it comes the closest.

Here a quick sum up:
-i am anti privatization ( education, water, public transportation, food quality controll.. ) on most things,
-against almost all censorship,
-strongly support the seperation of goverment and church,
-very suspicious of foreign trade and war policys,
-dislike the Nato, love the UNO allthough its flawed,
-pro choice on Abortion and Suicide and a
-very big opponent to all Nationalistic/Patriotic movements.

My politcal Dream for the USA is an end to the two party system, or Nader becoming President.


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I don't identify with the democrats or the repuclicans, nor with one of the 5 german partys, but I guess I'll vote democrat on the poll because it comes the closest.

Here a quick sum up:
-i am anti privatization ( education, water, public transportation, food quality controll.. ) on most things,
-against almost all censorship,
-strongly support the seperation of goverment and church,
-very suspicious of foreign trade and war policys,
-dislike the Nato, love the UNO allthough its flawed,
-pro choice on Abortion and Suicide and a
-very big opponent to all Nationalistic/Patriotic movements.

My politcal Dream for the USA is an end to the two party system, or Nader becoming President.

Ending the two party system would be very hard. You'd be trying to pull a Stephen Colbert across the country.

If Nader ran on the Democratic ticket, he might win. Whether that'll happen, I don't know.


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Ending the two party system would be very hard. You'd be trying to pull a Stephen Colbert across the country.

If Nader ran on the Democratic ticket, he might win. Whether that'll happen, I don't know.

Sadly, you are very right about the two party state. I think its really frustrating that many votes boil down to voting for one party to block the other.

Nader won't ever get the democratic ticket. 🙁


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I dont really support any of those.

There is good and bad points on all of them.

Democracy dont listen the people who are different and try make everyone equal which we are not. I hate all the things that goverment force people do. Like compulsory military service and studying swedish in school. I think people should have right to choose what they want to do or not.

I also hate the big bosses who makes billions of money already and move their companys to China and leaving lots of people without job just because they want even more.

Im against refugees and development aid... i am not racist but i think we should care of the own nation first. Also deveploment aids dont go to the people who need it but to the dictators of Africa.

My political choices would be.

-No more president.
-Prime minister and government lead the nation.

-Join NATO and have salary army.
-Remove the compulsory military service for all males.

-Make working more profitable (lower taxes for working).
-Stop the companies to move cheap workforce countries like China.
-Secure the wel-fare of people who are working.

-Conduct more money to public education and healthcare.
-Lower the taxes for alcohol, cigarettes and driving.
-Remove the "enviroment taxes".
-No more the must of study Swedish language on schools.

-Limit the immigration (take only people who come to work or have family here.)
-Expel the foreigners that make constant crimes.
-Stop taking refugees.
-No more development aid to other countries and use the money to help people of own country.

-Support buying the Karjala from Russia back to us.

-Seperate church from government.

-Bigger penalties for crimes (no death penalty though.)

Thats most i can think for now 🙄


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[quote=Dr. Love][quote=E-chan52][quote=E-chan52]So I guess MU is getting into the political game. 🤣

Our party name shall be "Spammers" 😃

I was right. 🤣

I donno what I am? I kinda Anti-politics. I don't vote. Not even for school club officers. 😔
Maybe Democratic-Repubilcans? That's as far as I'd go.

That post kind of inspired me actually.. 🤣

I don't get why some don't vote in America.. Here, in Belgium, everyone has to vote from age 18..

I don't vote here...i find all politicians corrupt anyway >.>[/quote]
You are from US right? If you came to Brasil you would know how good your country is...
By the way, there is a country in Europe in which politics is a voluntary job right? Can someone tell me which?[/quote]
nope I'm from the Philippines, which apparently from the news America has a hard time understanding our politics because of its confusing state...unlike America, which has a permanent political party, if you're a democrat...you're democrat, if you're republican...you're republican...here alliances shift constantly...say you're a congressman for the republican party during the reign of a republican president once a democratic president steps up you immediately shift to democratic party just to ally yourself with the president...another example is the plunder case of the former president...the current gov't spent millions to convict him of plunder then a week after he is pardoned by the president and even offered a position in office...which the former president refused because the current gov't is full of corruption...the reason for the offer is because the former president was a man of the people while the current isn't and the current needs to gain the trust of the people etc. etc.

so...this is politics...former president is a man of the people but has been convicted for plunder of 700 million...however in law it is not considered plunder but ill gotten wealth because it was through illegal gambling...not taking the money of the gov't

and the current which has not been caught but is already rumored for corruption and not on the peoples side...there are rumors that the previous election was tampered with due to the "Hello Garci" tape a recording of the current president(on her second term) about the elections...

or so i here...i don't really pay much attention to politics...[/quote]
It sounds a bit like one of our presidents, he wans't actualy a man of hte people, but he did pretended to be so he would get elected, shortly after he came to the power he declared the everybody's and I do mean everybody's saving accounts' money belonged to the coverment and of course he took all for himself. Some of the people even suicided sinse they lost everything, after a while they took him out of the power and now the shameless got elected as governor... The current president is a dumb, 9 fingered, flat headed who can not even speak straight and on he's firt mandate already stole public money, I don't know who were the retarded people who got him reelected...
That is why we need another military dictadure before the guy who stole everybody's saving accounts return to the power which I do not doubt will happen...


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Indifferent.

Weird I can't choose something like that in the poll.


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Indifferent.

Weird I can't choose something like that in the poll.

Well, in Belgium, you have to vote.. So I didn't consider that option.. Since you can't be 'indifferent' here..


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Well, in Belgium, you have to vote..

How do they enforce that, and what are the penalties if you don't vote? Never heard of mandatory voting before... 😕


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I hate neo-cons and liberals, what should I vote for the poll?


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