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Safety net? This is the real world. If you don't work, you don't eat. Period, end of discussion.

Real world =/= USA. I was talking about other countries, in particular mine. They (Economics teachers) all say that if you get sick, then please don't let it be in the US since it's expensive as hell. >_> At least here and in several other countries, you don't have to worry about doctor bills. Since you can get at least 50% refunded by the government, and it can run up to 70% with some procedures, if what my mom said is true and memory doesn't fail me. xD

What I meant with safety net, is social security and help from the government, and you can easily take measures against the ones who would profit from such a safety net. ... Dammit, I can explain it better in Dutch, don't know how to convert all those economic terms to English. >_<

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I hate the USA Economic system.

its not really what i would call....usable.

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Safety net? This is the real world. If you don't work, you don't eat. Period, end of discussion.

Real world =/= USA. I was talking about other countries, in particular mine. They (Economics teachers) all say that if you get sick, then please don't let it be in the US since it's expensive as hell. >_> At least here and in several other countries, you don't have to worry about doctor bills. Since you can get at least 50% refunded by the government, and it can run up to 70% with some procedures, if what my mom said is true and memory doesn't fail me. xD

What I meant with safety net, is social security and help from the government, and you can easily take measures against the ones who would profit from such a safety net. ... Dammit, I can explain it better in Dutch, don't know how to convert all those economic terms to English. >_<

Well, I guess that would work in countries that have populations the size of Los Angeles and a GDP that is 10,000 less than than the U.S.

For the record, my state has a subsidized medical program. It's call Medi-Cal. It's for low income families. Before my mom got insurance, we were on this program. For about 10 years. In that time frame, my little brother broke his foot, my sister broke her leg, and I got strep throat and pneumonia. Didn't have to pay a dime for any of it.

In the USA, it is the responsibility of each individual state to regulate social services, not the federal government. The only reason why Welfare, Social Security and Medicare exist is because of the New Deal. It's not practical nor sustainable in the long run.

Oh, and my brother in law works at the welfare office in Sacramento, CA. Half of the people who get welfare 1. Cannot speak English (either being immigrants or uneducated). 2. Have been on welfare for many, many years. 3. Are unemployed, and have been for many, many years.

If a person figures out "Oh, I don't have to work, because the government will pay for me when I'm sick, and pay for my food and shelter when I'm hungry and need a place to stay! Oh, and they give more money based on the number of kids I have!!"

I have friends that I went to high school with that are on welfare, don't work, don't plan to work, and already have several kids. This shit does not work.

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Well, i wont pretend to know alot about the Economic system we have here, cause i really don't anymore, its been a while since i took a class on it, and i have forgotten most everything i know about it, but the impression that i always got, was that the trickle down effect, or whatever its called, is not really all that good.

Things seem to work alot better over in Europe, i mean, look at the housing market here, its falling to pieces, and let alone the worth of our money in other places.

Either our president is the worst we have had in a bit, and has ruined out system, or, we didn't have a good system to begin with and is finally catching up to us.

idk, i am willing to bet its been worse for the USA, and it only seems bad since we are living in it right now, tho.

Idk, as i said before, i am quite ignorant on this subject, so don't take this all to seriously, since i am only going on fuzzy memory from two years ago.

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idk, i am willing to bet its been worse for the USA, and it only seems bad since we are living in it right now, tho.

That's it right there. Life sucks and then you die, so everyone complains about the way that their country does stuff. To be honest, dissenting is a key part of democracy. I would be scared if everyone walked lockstep with each other.

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idk, i am willing to bet its been worse for the USA, and it only seems bad since we are living in it right now, tho.

That's it right there. Life sucks and then you die, so everyone complains about the way that their country does stuff. To be honest, dissenting is a key part of democracy. I would be scared if everyone walked lockstep with each other.

Exactly why i don't take things to seriously, everyone has their own opinions and its what makes things work the way they do.

btw, idk if i said before, but i am in between Dem and Rep, my teacher said i am a Moderate, whatever that means.

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Left-winger, [b]Democratic Socialism[/b]...

That is an oxymoron.

I can kinda see what nero is thinking. But no, in reality it'd never work. Basically, that's what the Russians did (in name)

we use it in sweden, and look at us, we do way better than for example the US...

i am left-wing, i belive in socialism, and i believe that the people should be in control, and not just the bitch with the most money...
i oppose all the systems where you chose someone to rule your country, instead of choosing someone to do as you tell them.
i also oppose privatized schooling and healthcare, since a companys job is to make money, not look after the people.
it is my firm opinion that all borders should be removed, and all companies should be controlled by a people-controlled government.

an alternative to this would be dismantling the governments, and let people do what they wanted.

hmmm... anyhing else?... yes! disarm the United States Of Ameriks, it is actually rumored that they have nuclear weapons! 😲
we are all doomed...

^Do you know anything about the United States political system?

And in which ways is Sweden better than the U.S.? Your GDP is 10,000 dollars less than ours per capita, and about 3/100ths the amount of people living in your country. Not to mention that they are mainly all Swedish by birth, seeing as you all have a 12% immigrant population (that's 12% of 9 million). We have more than 37 million new immigrants in this country, not counting second and third generation immigrant families.

Socialism would not work in this country.

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you have privatized healthcare, a much higher percentage of poor people, you are currrently at war, and have been in a shitload of wars since WW2, while the last war sweden was in was 1814.
and isn't it strange that one swedish komun took in more iraqui immigrants running from the war you started than the whole of the united states?

to become president you have to be rich, christian, preferably born into a family of politicans.

socialism would work in any country, it's as close as you can come to the ultimate democracy...

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[quote=nerolynx]Left-winger, [b]Democratic Socialism[/b]...

That is an oxymoron.

I can kinda see what nero is thinking. But no, in reality it'd never work. Basically, that's what the Russians did (in name)

we use it in sweden, and look at us, we do way better than for example the US...[/quote]

Maybe unitl the 90s but now you can't call it so anymore and you forget the reason for all the reforms in Sweden was that this system was just not good enough.

socialism would work in any country, it's as close as you can come to the ultimate democracy..

Oh come on... no I have to write all day in university about this crap I just don't feel like it here. But seriously do you believe that ?

the far left. communism is the only way to a fair and equal world.

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[quote=ahoaho][quote=nerolynx]Left-winger, [b]Democratic Socialism[/b]...

That is an oxymoron.

I can kinda see what nero is thinking. But no, in reality it'd never work. Basically, that's what the Russians did (in name)

we use it in sweden, and look at us, we do way better than for example the US...[/quote]

Maybe unitl the 90s but now you can't call it so anymore and you forget the reason for all the reforms in Sweden was that this system was just not good enough.

socialism would work in any country, it's as close as you can come to the ultimate democracy..

Oh come on... no I have to write all day in university about this crap I just don't feel like it here. But seriously do you believe that ?[/quote]

now whats wrong with socialism??

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^Do you know anything about the United States political system?

And in which ways is Sweden better than the U.S.? Your GDP is 10,000 dollars less than ours per capita, and about 3/100ths the amount of people living in your country. Not to mention that they are mainly all Swedish by birth, seeing as you all have a 12% immigrant population (that's 12% of 9 million). We have more than 37 million new immigrants in this country, not counting second and third generation immigrant families.

Socialism would not work in this country.

Sweden has higher nominal GDP per capita than the US. And don't forget that GDP does not equal welthfare in the western world. You probably checked the PPP GDP on both contries on wikipedia or something like that.
Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) often fails imo because it can't be be calculated as precise as the nominal GDP. In my opinion Sweden, Scandinavia and the EU is indeed "better" than the U.S when it comes to "welthfare".
When i say welthfare i don't really mean how much money you can have, but instead i see wealthfare as a security that you have the right to get healthcare, education and onwards.
I don't care that the U.S has alot of millionares and stuff, your GDP per capita is only presented by a small percentage of your population. And as mentioned earlier a "county" (kommun in Swedish) called Södertälje that has a area of 9.8 sq mi (25.29 km²) has taken in more refugees that your country has done. I know that your so called leaders are quite ashamed of this but they only sit on their fat texas bums eating BBQ instead of doing anything! For crying out loud you took the "most proven cource of action" and we have to take the consequenses. If you honestly think that the U.S is indeed blessed by "god" (The American way to say "better then the world") then look around and find the real world.

damn, you said it much better than i did... 😀

How about, dont follow politics and there is no one even worth voting for. If I did decide to use my vote it would be for the green party but if they ever came to power they woud probably fail to do anything they promised as well. One politician is as bad an another and they're all worthless. I'm for giving power back to the monarchy, I rekon the Queen and Prince William would do a better job of running the country than Gordan Brown.

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