i like them both, still i think that there are a few manga that can compare berserk on its peak (the band of the hawk arc), but after that it isn´t like that it isn´t good but it isn´t as good as before. Claymore has its moments too like the battle where Clare almost awakens (technically she did). Well, they both are quite epic, and have epic moments, and i like that.

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Another so-stupid-you-can't-believe-it-tell-me-it's-a-joke-comparaison
after JK Rowling the new shakespeare , here comes berserk vs claymore....
claymore is just decent while berserk is a masterpiece included on basically every "greatest manga ever" list made until now but yeah let's say they're equal....
Except for the character of theresa of the saint smile , who stands out , anything in the manga appears just dull.... I mean It's nice but it's so common , so plain . Ok there are demons , a secret organisation , a nemesis who has killed the mentor of the hero and the hero has a dark side which enable him to transform....Let's be clear : Claymore it's just fight again and again and again.... with a hero who discovers new powers and techniques (the ,the legs ,etc...) and fight against stronger enemies as time goes by ....Roughly speaking : a standard shonen , not bad , not good .Well , just a action-shonen . I don't say that Berserk doesn't use the same device , I mean there are some strings that you don't necesserly need to get rid of , I just say that if you do the same thing than others without adding a secret ingredient of your own then you can't claim anything special .

There are at least 3 things for me that bans every comparaison
** landmark **Berserk was one of the first very detailled manga (the drawing keeps getting better with that) , one of the first dark fantasy with Bastard,etc...Every convention used by the Ubel Blatt and other that appear so normal now owes something to those founding mangas . Even if now it appears obvious when it was released it was just totally new . Just with that it's a kind of landmark . What has brought Claymore ?
***Very strong narrative frame **
On top of that it displays a very strong frame of revenge: the hate between griffith and guts is enhanced by

• the unusual narration ( intro -very long flash back - story) : we have the result and we're confronted to something totally different. We can only assume the reason of the hatred but until really late it's totally impossible to understand : the author seems to enjoy showing us an increasing faith between griffith and guts urging us to ponder about this simple yet difficult question : how the hell the situation has become thus ? this is a film noir device : you know it will end very bad but until the very end you don't know how . And Berserk has improved this device with the egg of the conqueror : it's really totally unexpected .
• the time spend by the author to stress the link between griffith and guts in a lot of different ways (admiration,rivalry , difference of quality , jealousy, absolute faith, maybe some kind of erotic desire) : I mean ,contrary to Claymore if one really needs to compare them , the author spent a lot of time to develop this relationship . You can't expect from a back story told in less than 1 tome to have the same depth than one which is 10 volume lenght (the band of the hawk :3-13)....It's an investment : if you want something big you need to spend more time and money it's as simple as that .
• and the way he knot that with this burning hate : this absolute nightmare called the eclipse wouldn't have been disowned by Fussli . It's a fucking non sense nightmare worth reading on its own . It's really brillant in the way this gigantic horror keeps going on until the climax of the rape (brillantly depicted in this 3 characters act ) .And the hate runs very deep in the characters : they hate each other for every reason they used to care for each other . It's one of the greatest thing i'v read manga , bd , manhwa and comics together. Furthermore the hate between the 2 characters is worked up later : it's fueled with other elements , a bit in the same way than Cloud and Sephirot hates each other (there is the mako incident which endangers tifa and eventually leads to the death of zack . And much much later after that the murder of aerith ) . It's a 2 act play of hate . Who can tells why the character hates each other the most ? it's just insane of fury . At this level it becomes legend and art.

• **a thorough universe of its own **
  eventually the author has developped its universe with a political and magical background absolutely inexistent on the beginning and which brings an interesting rest from the fight : kingdoms , empire , fairies , church , magical world ....

oh for those who would be willing to say than Bersek took a bit of time to find its pace : most of people agree on the fact that it took 4-5 volume (otherwise you just don't like Berserk or Dark Fantasy) . I've read 13 volume of Claymore : this is precisely the time of the eclipse in Berserk . Who can successfully assert that Claymore is at the same level than Berserk at that time ? as a matter of fact it's kind of strange than a similar apocalypse event took place around the same time : the battle of the north ends with the volume 12. Useless to say it's very very very far from the intensity of the eclispe : basically it's just fight (and very long with that).

by the way I' am curious : are the dumb who advocated JKR as the new shakespear the same that assert that Claymore is better (or even equal) than Berserk?

when I want "fun" shonen i take One Piece or something really bizarre like Jojo's bizarre adventure or Karakuri Circus . They're strange ,sometimes grotesque, often over the top but at least they're really fun and original .
Claymore is just another Bleach , etc.... shonen with attitude and swords. And no idea whatsoever about the art of storytelling.

and thanks for Shakespear boring.... 😀 it makes things easier for me .

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Wether or not people find Berserk better than Claymore or vica versa is a personal opinion.
Is Claymore the shounen-style Berserk? Some say yes; some say no... but calling it a "so-stupid-you-can't-believe-it-tell-me-it's-a-joke-comparaison" is just plain lame.

However your reply contains a very nice analysis of Berserk, I didn't find any strong persuasive arguments to write of Claymore as another "unoriginal shounen with an attitude" -manga.

Berserk is clearly a "one of it's kind" but if you had to pick a manga similar to Berserk; I believe a lot of people would say "Claymore".

Even if the comparison remains as dump as the one of JK Rowling & Shakespear, it's a fact that there's something about claymore that reminds people of Berserk.

i love them both...but Claymore just much more...but I can't say I hate Berserk...

Berserk > Claymore

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I like them both, but Berserk is way better than Claymore, and I mean better by a lot.

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Claymore is good.
Berserk is epic.

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Claymore is great and all but Berserk is like literature

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I guess comparing is mostly pointless since it's all personal preference and the two are really aimed at different audiences, but it's fine to hear people's opinions on it all. I like Berserk better in every aspect, but that isn't to say I dislike Claymore. I guess we should just all be happy to have two great manga to talk about.

Actually, I've fairly recently started reading another series that seems to get tossed into the comparison pool with these two so I'll add that in my personal ranking order just for fun. So for me it goes like this:

Berserk > Shin Angyo Onshi > Claymore

Claymore is sort of the odd man out of this group if you ask me, but you can't go wrong with any of em though. 😀

Berserk has gotta be one of The most overrated manga out there.

i say this time and time again, to each their own, but i honestly don't see what people like so much about it...

Not really a fan of Claymore either, so i am not biased in this poll.

voted for "Hate them both"

its stupid to compare something that is different. Both side has it up and down... highly doubt their is any down for both... so it was just a stupid question

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Although I like them both. I thinks its kind of odd people comparing them. They both are quite different as far I I think. I found mid half berserk with war and all in first few vols (b4 the flash back) and later to be fantasy where there's fairies and demons and witches etc. Claymore doesnt have this. plus berserk has only single man with a huge sword while in claymore all warriors of organisation have swords.

further berserk has magic and stuff which claymore doesnt have at all.

Keeping aside the comparison and moving on rating 'berserk' is the manga going on from 1988 thats when i was 2yrs old and its flashback is damn long I already graduated when it ended i guess. Claymore is still new and there is alot time for it to develop its story and characters.

to conclude I like them both they are both different in their own way.

It's stupid to get angry at people for voicing their opinions. But anyway, my opinion is that they are alike because they are fighting a great evil which is much stronger than them (epic + underdog?)

Love them both. Berserk = Claymore

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berserk has darker atmosphere, claymore has too much emphasis on the fighting style.

however both are good mangas, you cant compare them.

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