Absolutely not. I just skip those. Rape is a horrific act, and certainly rape victims want justice, not a relationship. Ie, Alice Sebold. Mangakas aren't known for realism though. There's something about female submissiveness (release of passion when a female hands control of her own body over), and the taming (aka "changing him") of the beast (the rapist) that probably appeals to them.

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What is NTRs and RTs?
@ejusdemgeneris
I agree^_^ My experience with the subject is smutty shoujo where the girl can say she was "raped", but she really didn't fight much. Therefore, I really don't consider that rape. Since the question does in fact say rapist it's rather sickening to fall in love with an such an evil guy. I hold very negative emotions to rapist so reading a manga like that will put me in a bad mood. -->perhaps a murderous one?

NTR is an abbreviation for netorare or cuckold. It is an insult to a man who lost his lover to another person whom she slept with, willingly or not. It implies unfaithfulness on the part of the lover. Well, rape scenarios which the female tend to fall in love for the rapist can be tagged as NTR as long as there is a male protagonist who lost her. While, RTS is an abbreviation for Rape Trauma Syndrome. A scenario such as the topic being talked about may create such trauma that the victim becomes dependent to her defiler. This may happen in countries that highly uphold chastity to a religious level. I think it happened in the Bible when Amnon raped Tamar who are both half-siblings from King David. She pleaded Amnon not to shame her further by throwing her out and not taking responsibility for his actions.(sorry for the religious example) 🙂

I have not read any mangas where this happens, with the possible expection of MASCA...if that counts.
However, I would hate to read a manga where this happens. Why would anyone fall in love with someone that raped them?

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Besides, I really hate NTRs..

Most people hate NTR. I have an odd fascination with it though. That's probably because in college a bunch of us held a bachelor party for our friend Dennis and our buddy Ahmet was in charge of hiring the strippers, but instead he hired escorts because his logic was why pay to look at naked women when you could pay to look at naked women you get to have sex with afterwards. We were all keen on the idea until the escorts showed up and one of them was my girlfriend. Needless to say our relationship ended right there. Hard to continue dating a girl you know was willing to get gangbanged by 10 strangers for $1500.

So once I discovered NTR manga and anime I became fascinated with it.

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NTR is an abbreviation for netorare or cuckold. It is an insult to a man who lost his lover to another person whom she slept with, willingly or not. It implies unfaithfulness on the part of the lover. Well, rape scenarios which the female tend to fall in love for the rapist can be tagged as NTR as long as there is a male protagonist who lost her. While, RTS is an abbreviation for Rape Trauma Syndrome. A scenario such as the topic being talked about may create such trauma that the victim becomes dependent to her defiler. This may happen in countries that highly uphold chastity to a religious level. I think it happened in the Bible when Amnon raped Tamar who are both half-siblings from King David. She pleaded Amnon not to shame her further by throwing her out and not taking responsibility for his actions.(sorry for the religious example) smile

Thanks! I was lost with the abbreviations. I don't mind the religious example since I'm religious. I've also read that story in the Bible, I just can't remember what book that was. 😕 Basically for me who you sleep with is considered her husband and rapist are killed. That's why my opinion of them is so negative.
@kichiX
I read MASCA and I don't consider what happened rape. She had alternatives after all Kamen (did I spell his name right) wasn't the only beliar(or belar I can't remember how to spell this) in the world.
I know two manga where this falling in love with your violator sorta happens.

1. Yami no Purple Eye
   Basically this guy drugged her and took advantage of her. He died later on and she got pregnant. It wasn't that mentally scarring to her because she liked him a little bit, but she had another guy she truly loved so she was pretty sad-->to be pregnant with someone else's kid.
2. Sensei no Okiniiri!
   So sensei got raped by her student. I honestly don't like this one because when I saw the rapist face I was all I like KAWAII DESU~ And really just about anyone(I know I can) kick that bishies ass. Besides if she tried hard enough she could have beat him down (but it would have ruined the plot)

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We were all keen on the idea until the escorts showed up and one of them was my girlfriend. Needless to say our relationship ended right there. Hard to continue dating a girl you know was willing to get gangbanged by 10 strangers for $1500.

WOOAHH! Your gf showed up? Should have stuck wit da strippers~

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... in college a bunch of us held a bachelor party for our friend Dennis and our buddy Ahmet was in charge of hiring the strippers, but instead he hired escorts because his logic was why pay to look at naked women when you could pay to look at naked women you get to have sex with afterwards. We were all keen on the idea until the escorts showed up and one of them was my girlfriend. Needless to say our relationship ended right there. Hard to continue dating a girl you know was willing to get gangbanged by 10 strangers for $1500...

Did she need money that badly?! Personally, I don't see why anyone would be willing to do that; there are plenty of decent jobs out there, plus $1500 is way too cheap.

I really hate rape manga; in my opinion rapists should all just go die.

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That's probably because in college a bunch of us held a bachelor party for our friend Dennis and our buddy Ahmet was in charge of hiring the strippers, but instead he hired escorts because his logic was why pay to look at naked women when you could pay to look at naked women you get to have sex with afterwards. We were all keen on the idea until the escorts showed up and one of them was my girlfriend. Needless to say our relationship ended right there. Hard to continue dating a girl you know was willing to get gangbanged by 10 strangers for $1500.

Well, weren't you going to cheat on her too, with the escorts 😕
Hypocrite.

To the topic, it's Stockholm syndrome, I tell you. It happens in real life. Human psychology is a mystery. As for me, I do like it in manga, that doesn't mean I would fall in love with the rapist in real life. But what do I know 😕

if there is an option between "to do" and "not to do", I will always choose the latter.

"what kind of crazy, twisted conclusion is that...?" - banana bread no puding

I wouldn't understand that either. How can someone fall for someone who forced sex on them? Where's the lovable point about the rapist? Because he was good at sex? Because the other person is a masochist who likes to get abused? (well, no offens to masochists ^^) Is that even love? And wouldn't that mean that it could have been anyone? uh, no idea, just random thoughts...
Personally I despise rapists, so I'd never like that in a manga, because i take those topics probably a littel too overserious. Well, that's how I am...
Can't help that and don't really want to offend anyone^^

There's nothing to see here. Proceed with what you were doing or throw rainbows at random pedestrians.

Never. As a girl I put rape fimly in the category of 'utterly unforgivable' along with murder andf pedophilia. In some cases it's worse than murder because you can accidentally kill somone, you don't accidentally rape them. Rape is all about proving dominance and picking on the weak, it is deeply traumatic for the victims to be violated in such a way. Glorifying it as some romantic act is just wrong. I understand that, in some rare cases, it happens, but reading about it bothers me so I avoid those mangas.

The pen is mightier than the sword...and considerably easier to write with.

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Well, weren't you going to cheat on her too, with the escorts 😕
Hypocrite.

I didn't care that she was "cheating" or even that she was an escort (after less than a year later I started dating another girl who was a stripper and escort. She was awesome, she got off on watching me fuck her friends. To be fair I too enjoyed watching her fuck those same friends.). But when a room full of your friends finds out your girlfriend fucks other dudes for money you got to do something or else the whole dynamic of your friendship gets altered.

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Well, weren't you going to cheat on her too, with the escorts 😕
Hypocrite.

I didn't care that she was "cheating" or even that she was an escort (after less than a year later I started dating another girl who was a stripper and escort. She was awesome, she got off on watching me fuck her friends. To be fair I too enjoyed watching her fuck those same friends.). But when a room full of your friends finds out your girlfriend fucks other dudes for money you got to do something or else the whole dynamic of your friendship gets altered.

😲 I suppose "jealousy" is a completely alien concept to you.
You don't seem to take any shame in touting your voyeuristic tendencies, yet you were embaressed by the fact that your girfriend is a prostitute being exposed to your friends, and that you did not know about this before they did? 😕
You obviously valued your friends more than your girlfriend, which proves that you never really loved her in the first place (recent studies have shown that people are willing to give up a good friend for true love; the reason being that you only have a limited number of slots for intimate relationships).
Your relationship never stood a chance 😐 .

I'd never, not even in a million years, engage in a relationship with someone like you; and frankly, I don't think any self-respecting woman would.

Plus, I think you should mind your language.

For me, cheating goes into the same "unforgivable" category as rape, and pedophilia; there are cases where murder can be forgiven.
I think mothers who kill their little girl's rapist deserve a round of applause.

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I think it depends on the story... I mean if I wanted something like that to happen, then I'd read hentai, but for my shojo is enough to have the girl be a complete and utter idiot, I don't need her to also be clingy and useless unless some guy is making her submit to him and others (isn't that what usually happens in stories like these?)
So in short, I'm not a fan of smut for the same reasons, it almost seems like the girls are putting themselves out there to get hurt...
Anyway...in short, no, I wouldn't enjoy a manga where the girl is stupid enough to fall for her rapist, unless there is a lot of character development that can explain his actions (not that it's justifiable, but at least it gives the reader a chance to know why things happens, since usually the guy's just a jerk and the girl is just an idiot)

I think the more I read manga that contains rape (mostly shojo smut and yaoi) the more my views on it change. When I read my first manga that had a girl getting raped, I think it was Haou Airen, I was completely disgusted and pissed off. Seriously, if the guy ACTUALLY loved her, he wouldn't force her, whether its physical force or blackmail or coercion or whatever.

But now my views are kinda different and it depends on how the story is told. I think there is a way to make the rapist more sympathetic, like if he did it cuz the girl (or guy) did something to make him really upset but later the guy realizes it was a mistake and regrets it afterwords. I'm not saying rape is always forgivable, but there were some manga that I read where I could forgive the guy afterwords.

On a different note, it really pisses me off when a girl is only protesting because she's nervous or shy or whatever (which happens in the majority of shojo I read). That's why its so hard to differentiate from the manga where actual rape occurs and the ones when the girl's into it. Really, why are most of the girls in manga like that? Is it some kind of cultural thing where it's supposed to be more of a turn on to have the girl be reluctant, or is it that girls are afraid to like sex because they might be called a slut? It's soooo annoying to me

Edit: I just wanted to add that what I hate most about rape in shoujo manga is that it is often viewed as an act of love. The guy loves the girl so much that he just can't hold back his emotions and MUST have sex with her. Rape has NOTHING to do with love, so I hate manga that try to paint it as that.

IRL, no. For manga, Sure why not. It also depends on the story and the personality of the guys in the series. But yeah, I think of stories like these as more of a fantasy anyway so I'd probably enjoy reading something like this.

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yet you were embaressed by the fact that your girfriend is a prostitute being exposed to your friends, and that you did not know about this before they did?

That's pretty much it. Some surprises are nice, others not so much.

which proves that you never really loved her in the first place

I didn't. She didn't love me either. We liked each others company and shared a number of similar interests. She came to Canada for college and was going to return to New Zealand when she graduated, we both knew our relationship had a finite amount of time.

I'd never, not even in a million years, engage in a relationship with someone like you; and frankly, I don't think any self-respecting woman would.

What do you mean someone like me? I take a very realistic approach to relationships. So I don't assume that every relationship exists to lead to marriage.

If you're referring to the various sexual things. You must realize that not everyone restricts themselves to more orthodox practices.

Plus, I think you should mind your language.

I concede this point. I am capable of great eloquence, both written and spoken, but usually succumb to my baser, more foul-mouthed, instincts.

For me, cheating goes into the same "unforgivable" category as rape, and pedophilia; there are cases where murder can be forgiven.

I'm not a fan of cheating in a committed relationship either. Only two of my relationships in my life are what I'd consider committed. The first one ended because she returned to Venezuela to take care of her elderly parents and I wasn't willing to move there. In hindsight I view that choice as the biggest mistake of my life thus far. The second was a relationship I had with a divorced single mother, eventually she decided it was in her daughter's best interests to have her father be a part of her life so she reconciled with him and moved to Vancouver. I can't fault the decision, she made a choice she felt was in her child's best interests. Parents should always do that.

I agree rape is unforgivable. Pedophilia can be, but the definition is too open-ended. I live in Canada and until three years ago the age of consent was 14, because of that I was having sex with 14 and 15 year old girls when I was as old as 26. Some may consider that pedophilia since the girls ages. But it was perfectly legal, so is it still pedophilia?

As for murder, I agree that there are a lot of people who deserve to die pretty much on principle.

I think mothers who kill their little girl's rapist deserve a round of applause.

In some countries, when a woman is raped a male family member gets to be the executioner of the rapist. That seems an awesome rule.