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^Fly Me To The Moon is the name of a Duke Ellington song (or Art Tatum... I can't recall), but I don't know if it's the same one.
I also don't know how anyone can legitimately state that a pop song is the most beautiful song ever... Have they not heard Sonny Rollins or John Coltrane? Or Billie Holiday?
at one point they was pop music too. and not like u can complain.
My hip hop list:
Love- Mos Def
Electric Relaxation- Tribe
Release- Blackalicious
The Message- Dr. Dre
Music- Eric Sermon
Back in the Day- The Pharcyde
everybody on that list except for Pharcyde and Blackalicious were at one point or another considered pop music.
Are you serious? Except for Eric Sermon and Dre, all of those songs were never pop. Especially Mos Def and Tribe. Hip Hop was an underground thing ten years ago in the mainstream. And Billie Holiday was a pop singer, until she released Strange Fruit. Furthermore, she sang in the Jim Crow south, as a black woman, so you can hear the pathos in her voice. Sonny Rollins and John Coltrane played bebop (Later, Coltrane played modal jazz). Bebop was an underground movement.
And it's not that I'm even saying that underground music is the only legit form. I'm saying that music that is made for the integrity of the art is legitimate. Modern pop music is made to make money, not for the artistic motives. THAT'S why I stated what I did. It has nothing to do with the popularity (yes, I know what pop music is), but with the intentions behind the music.
A nice melody and pretty lyrics=/=beauty. It's wholly superficial.
our standards of pop has changed over the years. its a known fact that 90% of record sales come from white america right? now lets examine our two subjects.
they were signed to a major label. they are hip hop icons, they sold a sh*tload of records, and at their hayday, they were on tv, radio, everything, and everybody knew their name, how aint they pop music? mos def starred in mad movies.
now, if u gonan say all dat stuff about art and money and blah blah blah, think about the time when tribe was big, and who they peers were doin, doin da same thing right? sorry but in my eyes Run DMC was pop, wu tang was pop, nas was pop, mos def is perfect pop cuz white ppl(no offense) love him.
point is, if they wasn't pop, they would NEVER have survived to this day. and on that note, mos def and q-tip both got albums coming up as indie artists and i don't think they'll sell more than 100k-200k copies. they no longer pop.
o yea quest sold more units than EPMD ever did.
100,000 records sold is certified gold, which is pretty big.
But on the topic of basing the pop status of something off the album sales/how much play time something gets is not the point I was making. Miles Davis' Kind of Blue album has sold more than 5 million copies. Does that make it a pop album?
And I say that their music has lasted so long because it's quality music, not because of the fact that it was popular (even though, in 1992 when Midnight Marauders came out, Nirvana was the most popular band in America). Look at MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice. THAT is pop music. They ran a gimmick to sell records, without thought to the artistic direction of the work.
And Tribe was NEVER big among mainstream America, because of the message they put out. That's like saying that Spike Lee's flicks were more popular than Steven Speilberg flicks. Or that, in 1992, a Denzel Washington movie would sell more than a Richard Gere or Billy Crystal or Patrick Swazey movie. In certain demographics, yes, but in the mainstream, no.
And I will point and laugh at someone who thinks that a Green Day song is more beautiful than a John Coltrane song. It's laughable. Call me an elitist, and I'll gladly hold the name, but it's an absurd comparison.
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