The article really freaked me out. I have been told that I am native and too nice, but I can't wrap my head around it. I just don't understand how could people treat war soldiers and victims like that. The torture methods left me blank. I don't understand how people can do something like that and feel nothing at all. If you read up on the experiments performed at unit 731, you would understand what I am saying.

When I told my boyfriend because I was really sad after research unit 731. He hugged me and told be that there are people out there that would do that. And I could think of is why? don't people feel horrible for their actions.

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Don't forget the China's Taiping Rebellion [b]lead by some Christian dude who thought he was Jesus's brother[/b]. He lead an uprising that killed many innocent people who weren't Christian and resulted in the death of 20 to 30 Million people. The 1st most bloodiest war was WWII but the second was the Taiping Rebellion. WWI and the Americna Civil war are not the second. IT shows how human ignorance changes the world.

It's not just in those countries that terrible things happens. IF you know enough, you would understand there's a skeleton in every country's closet. Some so well hidden that you never hear about it.

LOL WHAT?!

Yep, some Chinese guy failed the Imperial Civil examination[The SAT of the ancient Chinese Dynasty times. You take it and some lasts 3 whole days. That's how they decide who gets what government position] 3 times. The guy went nuts. Then some Christian missionary tried to convert him to Christianity and he had a dream. And he thought that was a sign that he was sent by God to convert all Non-believers. At the beginning, all his followers were bandits and murders, and they killed a lot of innocent people. Then it got bigger and bigger and eventually the Imperial Chinese army had to suppress them. The conflict ended with a human causality count of 20-30 million people. So I said to my Catholic friends...:"So that's what happens when you turn into a Christian". Lol, a joke of course, but he took it seriously. 😀

Christianity is fundamentally about nonviolence, but due to human intervention[The church], the Originally peace loving message of Christ is changed. You think Jesus would have allowed the church to issue a massive crusade to invade Jerusalem? It was all about politics and profits and they used people's weakness[their ambition, racism, and violent tendency toward those who are different] for their own gain.

I don't think there is a religion out there that encourage violence what so ever. But, some how people interpret the message and take it to the next level. They impose their own ideals on others and they say it is what God wanted. .

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as long there is human there will be wars, its our nature.

I sir, despise that statement. 😀 It is a common statement from a lot of young people

You're right on this part Box... but for a different reason, though it's not just young people. Many animals fight... I don't remember which primate my example concerns, but I saw a video in my Anthro class where this one form of primates trapped another kind in the trees and just slaughtered them in a systematic fashion (now, it could have also been of the same species, but I can't quite remember).

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allusion to the cavemen marriage ritual of hitting a female and knocking them out to mate. Could be call cavemen rape

You don't actually believe that, do you?

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It's the past. What would searching and digging up do? Just don't make the same mistakes again.

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as long there is human there will be wars, its our nature.

I sir, despise that statement. 😀 It is a common statement from a lot of young people

Your right on this part Box... but for a different reason, though it's not just young people. Many animals fight... I don't remember which primate my example concerns, but I saw a video in my Anthro class where this one form of primates trapped another kind in the trees and just slaughtered them in a systematic fashion (now, it could have also been of the same species, but I can't quite remember).

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allusion to the cavemen marriage ritual of hitting a female and knocking them out to mate. Could be call cavemen rape

You don't actually believe that, do you?

What is your reason again? Animals don't know better, they are just animals. If we humans behave like them, we might as well live like them too. But we aren't animals. We are civilized human being we developed space travel technology, discovered quantum mechanics, relativity. Show me an animal that have even the slightest idea what F=ma means.

The caveman thing actually happens. You see, animals do it too. Most mating between animals have many rape sequences. Usually the male attacks the female or chase her down and tires her out. It's insane isn't it? You think animals are so cute and innocent, when in reality Beasts are called Beasts for a reason.

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It's the past. What would searching and digging up do? Just don't make the same mistakes again.

right, you can only do so by admitting this terrible piece of history. By denying it, not only are you violating the rights of the victims, you are also covering it up. Learning is about admitting mistakes, not covering it up. How would you feel if Germany just denies the whole Holocaust history?

"Oh, the holocaust didn't happen. All those innocent people just disappeared even though there are bones and witnesses and documents and the fact that it was on film and picture and TV"

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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Animals don't know better

What does that have to do with anything?

We are not talking about what they know or not know. The only thing I'm talking about is conflict between creatures. Now, Domonkazu's statement was that as long as humans exist there would be war. SO, I said that the other creatures sans humans would still fight each other.

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But we aren't animals.

Humans are in the Animal Kingdom. Ergo, humans are animals.

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The caveman thing actually happens.

That's not necessarily correct Box. The image of the Neanderthal is not as accurate as you think. They are displayed as retards that are little more than brutes. In films, they are displayed as being resistant to pain simply because they have a lot of broken bones. This is not correct, and no one knows the mating habits of the Neanderthal. This means you and me as well.

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You think animals are so cute and innocent

I never said that, did I.

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It's the past. What would searching and digging up do? Just don't make the same mistakes again.

right, you can only do so by admitting this terrible piece of history. By denying it, not only are you violating the rights of the victims, you are also covering it up.

He was not denying it, Box. He just does not see the point in aggravating old wounds, at least that's how he sees it.

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as long there is human there will be wars, its our nature.

I sir, despise that statement. 😀 It is a common statement from a lot of young people, but they fail to take into account the fact that we evolve constantly. To say:"That's our nature" and leave it at that is to stagnant any ripples of progress. We need to change it to something like: "We can all change for the better, evolution proved it!". Surely you don't get a wife with a wooden club anymore?[allusion to the cavemen marriage ritual of hitting a female and knocking them out to mate. Could be call cavemen rape]

War is part of human nature. There has probably not been a single moment since the dawn of man where we have not warred over something. Even when we look back on our history they way we define eras is usually by the different wars. As for the wife comment, you do realize that in a lot of 3rd world countries girls from as young as 10 years old are sold into the sex trade industry. Some are not even kidnapped but sold from there families.

yuna241, people can hurt other people and not feel anything when they no longer view the Target as human.

for example on the news last night i heard them say something about drawing out the taliban so the snipers could kill the "target" rather than kill the "person / taliban / anythingthatisrelatedtojusthumans"

just dont view people as people and you no longer will feel anything for them, positive or negative.

ah crap, I have to post a legitimate response to kids.....I feel like a fool doing this

In a souther accent: "Toto, we ain't in no Kansas aenymor'e!"

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm just trying to figure out your reason for disagreeing, since you never mentioned it. From your other comment about "since animals fight", I assumed you are talking about human and animal similarities. At that point, I posted the fact that human and animals are different.

We are not talking about what they know or not know. The only thing I'm talking about is conflict between creatures.

This whole argument is based on the fact that you think humans are animals and thus must do what animals already do. My argument stems from the fact that animals do animal things because they do not understand our complex Ideology. I further state that we have achieved a higher level of consciousness where we CAN change ourselves.

Humans are in the Animal Kingdom. Ergo, humans are animals.

That's a cheap way for argument by changing the premise. All life came from protein, ergo all life is protein. Protein isn't alive, ergo all life is not alive. See? It doesn't work. The logic is flawed.

That's not necessarily correct Box. The image of the Neanderthal is not as accurate as you think.

Incorrect, animal matings are often violent. We were animals during that time. Also, evidence suggests that apes and monkeys also do the same. In fact certain species practice prostitution of some sort. The female monkey offers herself for sex without a fight, if the competing male makes enough fruit offerings. Even in our society now, rape and murder still exists for those who does not understand human values.

I never said that, did I.

That's just a way of stating it.

He was not denying it, Box. He just does not see the point in aggravating old wounds, at least that's how he sees it.

There's a difference. I can't believe I have to point this out. If tommy kills Johnny's cat and got punished for it, and Johnny comes along and point in tommy's face and makes tommy feel bad. Further, johnny does it every day for 50 years. That's aggravating old wounds.

But If tommy killed the cat, got punished but never admit he did the crime. And if johnny comes along and say: "I can forgive you but will you at least acknowledge the truth?". That's called seeking justice. Tommy is in self denial about the killing of the cat. Obviously punishment is about: 1)deterring the future criminals.
2)Reeducating those who are not smart enough to figure out what morality is.

In this case, number 1 is fulfilled as the punishment was executed. However, number 2 is not since the criminals does not even admit the crime.
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See what I'm getting here?

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as long there is human there will be wars, its our nature.

I sir, despise that statement. 😀 It is a common statement from a lot of young people, but they fail to take into account the fact that we evolve constantly. To say:"That's our nature" and leave it at that is to stagnant any ripples of progress. We need to change it to something like: "We can all change for the better, evolution proved it!". Surely you don't get a wife with a wooden club anymore?[allusion to the cavemen marriage ritual of hitting a female and knocking them out to mate. Could be call cavemen rape]

War is part of human nature. There has probably not been a single moment since the dawn of man where we have not warred over something. Even when we look back on our history they way we define eras is usually by the different wars. As for the wife comment, you do realize that in a lot of 3rd world countries girls from as young as 10 years old are sold into the sex trade industry. Some are not even kidnapped but sold from there families.

'm sorry to say that you are trapped by a false logical route. What we do now does NOT dictate our destiny. By your logic, all criminals cannot reform because they are criminals and did bad things. Just because something bad is happening doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. You got too much emo attitude. 😐 Honestly, if people back in the 1930 thought it was impossible to avoid WW3 with nukes, we would all be dead by now. But a few individuals knew we can change for the better and did so.

As for the young girls getting kidnapped. It's called human trafficking. If you look at history, most third world countries were peaceful and prosperous. Then European conquerer came in the name of religion, political need, and "civilization". These modern day poor country are not the result of their own actions. In fact the world was getting better before Europe got so strong. Then they sort of went to every country and messed it up pretty badly. Ever wonder why countries in Europe are so well off while others are not when for most of the civilized history, Europe was pretty much always in chaos and the "dark ages"? I just hope this got through to at least some people. It seems our education system needs a dramatic turn around.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.