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Post #321140 - Reply To (#321135) by Chaoswind
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Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what the sword guy did. I wouldn't stand-by and watch someone steal from me, I'd take a stand.


Post #321147 - Reply To (#321138) by loosecannon504
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Plus, the robber just got released from jail. And then the robber's criminal history showed that he got arrested over two dozen times for burglary, breaking and entering, and auto theft. Personally, I think the robber deserved to get killed, because no one that stupid deserves to live.

Arrest does not necessarily mean that he actually did any of those things. For the crime he was convicted of committing, he served jail time. Don't you think that he already paid for his crime? Otherwise, we might as well make burglary punishable by death.

BTW, robbery and burglary are not the same thing. Robbery involves violence and is a more serious crime.

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Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what the sword guy did. I wouldn't stand-by and watch someone steal from me, I'd take a stand.

As in many states, it is illegal in Maryland to use deadly force to defend one's property.


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Post #321150 - Reply To (#321147) by Odette
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BTW, robbery and burglary are not the same thing. Robbery involves violence and a more serious crime.

Actually, burglary is when someone breaks into an enclosed structure (such as a building or car) and intends to commit a crime. Robbery is when your property is stolen by using force. Burglary can be more serious.


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Post #321152 - Reply To (#321007) by Varna
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Heh, that's badass. The bastard deserved it. He broke into the property and should have been prepared. It's sad that the kid will most likely get something held against him. Deadly force isn't allowed unless it's that type of situation. Kind of BS in my opinion. They should make stuff like this legal. Great way to get rid of societal garbage. Seriously, what if the dude was alive, went to jail for a bit, then came back for revenge? Just wipe em out. Enemies aren't friends ;D Population control <3

This, pretty much sums up my thoughts.


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Arrest does not necessarily mean that he actually did any of those things.

So it was just a coincidence that he happened to be at the scene of the crime over two dozen times? 🙄

Even if he didn't do all those things, he could have been an accomplice to the crimes. Besides, who the hell gets arrested over two dozen times for the same three crimes if they didn't do it, or they weren't connected to it in some way?

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For the crime he was convicted of committing, he served jail time. Don't you think that he already paid for his crime?

I never said that he didn't pay for his crime. What I'm saying is that if you just got out of jail (And you have a long rap sheet like he did), and one of the first things you do when you get out is try to rob someone, then your stupid ass doesn't deserve to live.


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BTW, robbery and burglary are not the same thing. Robbery involves violence and a more serious crime.

Actually, burglary is when someone breaks into an enclosed structure (such as a building or car) and intends to commit a crime. Robbery is when your property is stolen. Burglary is more serious.

Theft is when your property is just stolen. Burglary is breaking and entering with the intent to commit a theft or felony. Robbery is theft using force or the threat of force. By definition, robbery is a violent crime.


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BTW, robbery and burglary are not the same thing. Robbery involves violence and a more serious crime.

Actually, burglary is when someone breaks into an enclosed structure (such as a building or car) and intends to commit a crime. Robbery is when your property is stolen. Burglary is more serious.

Theft is when your property is just stolen. Burglary is breaking and entering with the intent to commit a theft or felony. Robbery is theft using force or the threat of force.

I am aware of that. I just added it to my original post a couple minutes ago to avoid confusion.


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@LawX
Your point is still that burglary is more serious than robbery (or now that you have edited your post, that burglary can be more serious than robbery). But consider that the most serious kind of burglary is breaking and entering with the intent to commit a violent crime, while robbery itself is a violent crime. That is what I meant when I said that robbery is more serious.


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Your point is still that burglary is more serious than robbery (or now that you have edited your post, that burglary can be more serious than robbery). But consider that the most serious kind of burglary is breaking and entering with the intent to commit a violent crime, while robbery itself is a violent crime. That is what I meant when I said that robbery is more serious.

I was actually talking about the theft part. Also burglary can be attached to a number of felonies whether they are committed or not.


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Police don't seem to be charging him with anything.

“I think everyone has the right to first of all defend themselves and defend their home and if this individual felt that a samurai sword was an appropriate tool to do so, I’m not in a position to say that’s good or bad.”


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But truth be told, I would've done the same thing that the student did. Plus, the robber just got released from jail. And then the robber's criminal history showed that he got arrested over two dozen times for burglary, breaking and entering, and auto theft. Personally, I think the robber deserved to get killed, because no one that stupid deserves to live.

He was also charged in 2007 for pulling a gun on a police officer according to AP.


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Have you ever been in a fight at school? You get punished for fighting back, even when didn't throw the first punch. Harming someone is not self defense.

If you hear someone breaking into your house, you call the police and haul ass. That is what normal, functioning society does.

I mean, what the fuck, he confronted the burglar, on what planet is that even logical?

  1. yes, I didn't get in trouble cause I was attacked first.

  2. where I'm from the police won't come unless it's really big(like serial killer big), I've been robbed twice, called the cops, 1st time it took them a week to show up and they didn't do anything, 2nd time they never showed up, so if someone tried to rob me again I'm getting my baseball bat and I'm gonna be kicking some ass.


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This is why I'm glad Iive in Louisiana. Down here if someone breaks into your home and you even feel threatened you have every right to shoot that person dead, and the same would be applied to hacking at them with a katana. Also, contrary to what some of you might think, it doesn't take much "skill" to cut through flesh and bone, be it with a katana or a broadsword.

Sword: 1 Burglar: 0


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Manslaughter is only if deadly force wasn't needed. An intruder accosting you despite see'ing a weapon is certainly a threatening situation.

Also since it sounds like he aimed for the intruder's hand (which remember, he was being accosted), he didn't intend to kill him. Therefore no malice with intent to kill, and no manslaughter.

Actually, that is exactly what manslaughter is. Without malice and without intent to kill.

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In america and most other places it is perfectly legal to kill someone if they are a threat to you and your family and are on your property. It's called self-defense!

Have you ever been in a fight at school? You get punished for fighting back, even when didn't throw the first punch. Harming someone is not self defense.

If you hear someone breaking into your house, you call the police and haul ass. That is what normal, functioning society does.

I mean, what the fuck, he confronted the burglar, on what planet is that even logical?

In texas it is normal. In fact, being on someone else's property warrants shooting here. Even if you're just passing through.


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I've done my training to get a security guard license (not that it helped in finding a job), and one of the things they tell you is if you caught a shoplifter, call the police and tell them that there is a fight where you are. They will drop their shit and run over as fast as they can. If you say, "i caught a shoplifter" then you can wait up to five hours for a cop.

And yes, real swords can be bought off the internet (what can't) but they are often much more expensive. For self defense or murdering cases, it is often better to just sharpen an imitation sword than buy a real sword simple because its cheaper. An imitation sword may be called an imitation but it is still metal and it still has an edge. It can still cut (a hand even if you strike hard enough), and makes for a better scaring weapon than a baseball bat or wooden block.

I'm glad he's not being charged. We had some punk kid vandals back when I was in residence for first year, and when I heard them vandalizing the fire alarm outside my room i ran out to bust some heads. We also had an incident where a bunch of guys tried to accost one of my dorm mates, and now at my current house the neighbors got robbed too. I don't know about you, but with so much crime going around my first thought is to "jump in and kick some ass" because in all honesty, the odds of cops finding the criminal or the stuff stolen is low, real low.


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