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What would it take for you to believe, or not to believe

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14 years ago
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someone recently asked me "if god appeared before you would you believe in him" and my answer was no i would probably assume i am hallucinating and would immediately seek psychiatric help so
Atheists: what would it take for you to become a theist.
Theists: what would it take for you to become an atheist.


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Belief requires no reason.


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Belief requires no reason.

You're missing the point.

The question is "assuming you do believe in a deity, would there be anything out there that could change that belief?" And, naturally, the opposite would apply to atheists.

Honestly, the readers of this thread will shortly discover that there's just about nothing that could actually sway either camp, as atheists generally can't fathom anything that would prove any sort of divine entity does exist (what kind of form would that take that wouldn't evoke mass skepticism?) and theists tend to base their belief in sheer faith, so there isn't really much of anything that could prove that otherwise. The obvious exception to both cases being some sort of life-changing event along the lines of a near-death experience, the death of a loved one, etc. etc.


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extraordinarily claims require extraordinarily evidence, and then there are people like you who even with the evidence right in front of you, you will refuse to believe it. The questions that most atheists have wont find answers to it, because most religions wont be able to show you the answer, and it just has to do with faith that the events in the bible, torah, or qur'an really happened


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I'm not honestly sure. It'd have to be something pretty big to make me believe in any specific religion's god. I mean, if any of them produced those miracles they're always going on about...

The general existence of some higher power would be a bit easier to swallow, but I'd still need something to provide evidence.

Belief requires no reason.

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extraordinarily claims require extraordinarily evidence, and then there are people like you who even with the evidence right in front of you, you will refuse to believe it. The questions that most atheists have wont find answers to it, because most religions wont be able to show you the answer, and it just has to do with faith that the events in the bible, torah, or qur'an really happened

the reason why i became an atheist (agnostic) is i believe within a limitless universe possibilities are endless and there are many ways i could envision believing in god but not by god appearing in front of me and telling me he is god and i frankly dont see faith as a positive quality i would like to have


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i think that seeing a death note would make me believe in a god..
i mean something like angels,devils,shinigami etc.
things bible related that are actually there ,something like that..anyway even if i would believe in god it doesn't change a thing ,ill still be lazy enough to not do what religious people usually do..like praying or something.


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"if god appeared before you would you believe in him"

I guess if god really appeared before me he wouldn't use a cheap trick for his appearance. Seeing god in a potato cut in half is no divine miracle but maybe if there was something else I could buy it. I'm guessing that if god and not a hoax were to show himself you can't not believe it. You'd know it by intuition.


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Belief requires no reason.

You're missing the point.

The question is "assuming you do believe in a deity, would there be anything out there that could change that belief?" And, naturally, the opposite would apply to atheists.

Honestly, the readers of this thread will shortly discover that there's just about nothing that could actually sway either camp, as atheists generally can't fathom anything that would prove any sort of divine entity does exist (what kind of form would that take that wouldn't evoke mass skepticism?) and theists tend to base their belief in sheer faith, so there isn't really much of anything that could prove that otherwise. The obvious exception to both cases being some sort of life-changing event along the lines of a near-death experience, the death of a loved one, etc. etc.

I know what the queation is.

And that's my personal answer. An obscure one, perhaps, but still an answer.

No amount of reasoning or anything alike could possibly sway my beliefs. Therefore, my reasoning and belief are unrelated, and as such, no matter what I experience in my mind, nothing will change in my heart.

Of course, one might argue that a 'heart-changing' occurrence might come to pass, but I do not think my belief would change even if such a thing were to happen.
Maybe, 'tis different for others.


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Well, I will talk into my religion, since it's what I know about.

What would make a person/me leave atheism: A religion that works together with science, that exists for 160 years and was never challenged by any scientific discovery. A religion that instead of stating, questions itself at all times.

What would make a person/me leave spiritism: I have never seen it happening or heard/tought about something like this, so I don't know.


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hmm, well, you could argue that you see this happening in every person who joins a religion after being brought up in an atheist household, or turning to atheism after living in a theist household.
Or...people who have lived in an agnostic environment choosing one way or the other.

Personally...I don't know. After 16 (nearly 17) years of life I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to wonder whether there is a God out there because you will never find out. Also, if there is, it is laughable arrogant of humans to believe that He/She cares about every one of His/Her believers when there are infinitely many galaxies, planets and most probably lifeforms out there.
However, a quote I like, even if I do not follow is: "Better to die believing in a God to find out there isn't, than to die believing there isn't and find out there is."


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If by God you mean the usual one supreme being who is the creator and ruler of our university. To me it all depends on what religion you go by because each religion has diffrent views on what god wants you to do. So if someone came up to me claiming to be god but did not perform in the way of any religion that I know of then I would not believe in him. If this man claiming to be god says and does things that have been told he would do by a religion I may be swayed into believing he is god. I would potentially feel forced to do as I am told otherwise he may just put me into a fiery pit of hell where I will burn for eternity. But that all depends on what religious principals he goes by otherwise I may disagree with his views.


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If by God you mean the usual one supreme being who is the creator and ruler of our university.

Right...


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If by God you mean the usual one supreme being who is the creator and ruler of our university.

Right...

At least that explains why the tuition is so darn high.


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It's difficult to convince people who are atheist by saying things like "please believe," but I honestly think it's prideful to claim that God does not exist when there is no hard evidence one way or the other. For me, Christianity became an option after I spent years growing up as a staunch atheist and quoting passages from books like Twilight of the Idols and The Gay Science out of context. However, when I read actual existentialist writers, I found that the atheist view of religion was so pessimistic, even selfish - and that a number of later-converted 19th century atheists died insane or disappointed with their own theories.
For me Christianity, Buddhism, spiritual panathiesm... it's all the same. Sometimes you just have to give religion a chance first, and when you do I think you'll feel the difference and know what I mean. Personally, I found myself happier with my own life outlook and more willing to open up to challenges I was once afraid of. I just live by one basic principle: love all of God's children like he loves me.
When it comes to Bible thumping folks who copy the Bible word for word and seem afraid or whatever of the "morality" of atheists, just don't buy that shit. God is God and how people interpret it is a different story.
If people convinced me, for a fact, that God didn't love the gays and the prostitutes, that he loved less the sinners who rejected him the most, I couldn't believe in a God like that. Hope at least a few of you choose to open up, but it's really your views and I respect that.


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