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Paradox question of the Chicken and the Egg.

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Post #15647 - Reply To (#15640) by BoxBox
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I'm with frustratedguy, I choose for the chicken-egg.

Because there had the be a point in time where the pre-chicken evolved (mutated) into the chicken. This pre-chicken's cells got mutated, and so the transformation itself took place once again from one cell into many more, in the egg.

The whole paradox can be solved this way:
not the chicken *and *the egg but the chicken is the egg.
Afterall the chicken is nothing but the egg fullgrown.

The chicken can't be first because that would mean somethin pre-chicken-ish suddenly mutated into a real chicken. That can't be because when this pre-chicken got affected by radiation **some **of his cells would be damaged or changed and his body would reject them. So the only way for evolution is to alter the cells that are going to be passed onto the next generation. Then that changed dna-string will have the ability to copy itself until a creature is born with that dna-string reflected in all the cells. And that process took place in ... the egg !


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Post #15710 - Reply To (#15614) by Hostile
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Hey! I saw this question on the Wii's Everybody Vote Channel only recently and the chicken won.

I chose egg just because I believe it to be the first. Every reasoning I come up with works for the other one so meh.

same 🙂 saw it on there too, i voted egg. There are animals everywhere and one of them would have had to of came from the egg...and the chicken had to come from something (i hope it didn't just pop out of a dinosaur 😲 )


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How bout the concept of genetic mutation where another species, preferably bird like, laid and an egg which missed a few genes from the gene pool and just happened to become what we know as a chicken.
So i guess the Egg came first.


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I agree with Swegg, mutant egg first! then chicken and then "chicken egg" and finally fried eggs with rice!! humm...yummy!

Someone was saying about producer that came from the product and all( I forgot the name, sry) the thing is: It IS possible to create a producer(life-form) from materials, but it's product(egg,son,daughter,etc...) isn't, because it's already too advanced to be created this way. Surely the first life-form came from mutation cause by the enviroment of the earth and it was a one-cell lucky guy who couldn't do anything more than eat and then get eaten, and after lots and lots of time those micro-beens were lucky enough to grown into a bunch of cells because of the changes in the plannet(if I remmember right it was something about protecting themselves agaist vennon gases like O² that were created by them) and after much more time, their decendents having only some small mutations through every one or two generations that they were big enough to need a kind of egg to procriate. There were already reseaches about the climate od Earth on its firsts milleniums and there were tests trying to prove the evo teory with good results, but well, everyone is free to belive what he/she wants, and not always the majority of the people is right, like in 1500 when everybody thought that the "World"(Earth) was plain, but in truth it isn't, and concepts about true or nor are always changing so I guess its just too much of a bother to waste too much time thinking about it. 😛
sry if my english if poor, blame my teacher or the video-games, but not me, ok? 😀


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well evolution always works from generation to generation so, between the dinossaur and the chicken there was an egg
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Well, I hope you guys know that Darwin's Theory of Evolution is being strongly argued by another new scientific theory. The new theory says that effects of outside radiation on DNA rather then cell mutation resulting from generations causes the variety of different animals.


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well evolution always works from generation to generation so, between the dinossaur and the chicken there was an egg
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Argh... No one seems to get my first post, nor the theory of evolution either.
According to that theory, (and some recent studies) every generation probably contains some mutations. Most humans have a couple of mutation that neither of their parents had. BUT that doesn't make us neo-humans or Homo sapien sapien sapiens...
With the theory of evolution you shouldn't be able to say that a parent and his offspring are from different species. The genetic changes between each generation are not important enough... no matter which generation you are going to look at... The changes are only noticeable over thousands of years, and caused by the accumulation off all the small changes...

P.S. I think everyone got this but let me remind you: there is no way a chicken did just pop out of a dinosaur, like there is no way a gremlins is going to just pop out of a human...


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well evolution always works from generation to generation so, between the dinosaur and the chicken there was an egg
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Argh... No one seems to get my first post, nor the theory of evolution either.
According to that theory, (and some recent studies) every generation probably contains some mutations. Most humans have a couple of mutation that neither of their parents had. BUT that doesn't make us neo-humans or Homo sapien sapien sapiens...
With the theory of evolution you shouldn't be able to say that a parent and his offspring are from different species. The genetic changes between each generation are not important enough... no matter which generation you are going to look at... The changes are only noticeable over thousands of years, and caused by the accumulation off all the small changes...

P.S. I think everyone got this but let me remind you: there is no way a chicken did just pop out of a dinosaur, like there is no way a gremlins is going to just pop out of a human...

We all get the theory of evolution. Natural mutation and selection caused which species to thrive....blah blah blah blah.

yeah....stealth........somehow a philosophical question deviated from the main source and went into the theory of existence vs evolution........

Hey, I'm a fan of Omninerd, look what they have to say:

http://www.omninerd.com/2007/04/13/news/1225

and of course if you want a new explanation for Dino extinction, not asteroid theory, here it is:
http://www.omninerd.com/2007/04/28/news/1249


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yeah....stealth........somehow a philosophical question deviated from the main source and went into the theory of existence vs evolution........

Well, obviously there's no answer to the philosophical aspects of this question. That's why it's a paradox.

A if and only if B, and B if and only if A. Therefore, A is equivalent to B. But A is not B.

That's what is called impossible, according to what I've learned about philosophical reasoning. Which is why I can only take the question literally. 🤨


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yeah....stealth........somehow a philosophical question deviated from the main source and went into the theory of existence vs evolution........

Well, obviously there's no answer to the philosophical aspects of this question. That's why it's a paradox.

A if and only if B, and B if and only if A. Therefore, A is equivalent to B. But A is not B.

That's what is called impossible, according to what I've learned about philosophical reasoning. Which is why I can only take the question literally. 🤨

Philosophical questions mean you have to go beyond your logical reasoning. Otherwise, a pure logic statement will result in a paradox.


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so, in the end, is one of the two......or maybe not! right? lol


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Egg. Because eggs are yummier than chickens.

/subjective opinion

😀 My reason for voting can be as valid as any one else's just... without the hassle of coming up with counterarguments. ;P

Hahaha... 🙂


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Egg. Because eggs are yummier than chickens.

/subjective opinion

😀 My reason for voting can be as valid as any one else's just... without the hassle of coming up with counterarguments. ;P

Hahaha... 🙂

no it's not. K-F-C tastes much better than boiled eggs.


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Deviled eggs taste much better than KFC. 😁


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maybe better than KFC, but not Popeyes Chicken. 😃


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