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Well, I hope you guys know that Darwin's Theory of Evolution is being strongly argued by another new scientific theory. The new theory says that effects of outside radiation on DNA rather then cell mutation resulting from generations causes the variety of different animals.

What is this new theory? I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound quite right 😕

I go with the egg came first, as many of you have stated, eggs in general were around before chickens.
Another thought: Chickens were bred and domesticated by humans and called "chicken". They were bred from the wild bird humans call "Red Junglefowl". The egg came before the domestic "chicken". This is because Red Junglefowl and chickens are the same species, Gallus Gallus. (so they can inter-breed; they are different sub-species). So the egg of these creatures was around before the term "chicken"
Sorry, I'm probably being confusing

I think the evolutionary theory they may be referring to is not really a new and different theory, just something different than generational mutations, which don't necessarily cause the bulk of mutations leading to evolution. There are many different factors that can lead to a speciation event...

...I was gonna tell you about them but then I decided it would probably be a waste of time since you could just look it up for yourselves if you are interested.

Oh - and I would like to add that the chicken and its egg most likely evolved together...the very first thing we would call a chicken already had the ability to lay eggs. Weird science fact that you might use to determine the truth of this statement - female mammals, including humans, get all of their eggs that they will ever have their entire lives while still in the womb. We're born with them too, just like the chickens.

So my final answer is they came at the same time. ^_^ pats self on back

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Well, I hope you guys know that Darwin's Theory of Evolution is being strongly argued by another new scientific theory. The new theory says that effects of outside radiation on DNA rather then cell mutation resulting from generations causes the variety of different animals.

What is this new theory? I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound quite right 😕

I go with the egg came first, as many of you have stated, eggs in general were around before chickens.
Another thought: Chickens were bred and domesticated by humans and called "chicken". They were bred from the wild bird humans call "Red Junglefowl". The egg came before the domestic "chicken". This is because Red Junglefowl and chickens are the same species, Gallus Gallus. (so they can inter-breed; they are different sub-species). So the egg of these creatures was around before the term "chicken"
Sorry, I'm probably being confusing

I post links and no one checks it out, then they come and ask "What's this new theory?"..........

http://www.omninerd.com/2007/04/28/news/1249
read the last sentence.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

I got this from http://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/content/issue5_2/04_garner.html.
This states that the egg came first.

Prior to the arrival of the chicken, a pre-chicken creature that was at least one generation away from our present-day chicken, laid an egg that contained an embryo with DNA consistent with the “new” aviary creature known as chicken. Therefore, the egg that contained the newly evolved chicken preceded its hatching. In other words, prior to the arrival of the first zygotic mix of male and female pre-chicken DNA that combined or mutated to form today’s chicken, there were only non-chickens. The DNA mutations occurred at the cellular level in the zygote developing inside the egg. Therefore, the egg clearly preceded the chicken.

The answer is: it doesnt fucking matters. Seriously, we lack the resourses to find an objective answer to this question and convincing ourselves with a single answer is kinda foolish.
And it also doesnt matters, because of the single fact that, if you have an egg you will have a chicken, if you have a chicken you will have eggs. The answer to the question "How it appeared", at the end, has to posibilities: God did created everything, or Everything appeared and God doesnt exist (or it does but it doesnt matters).

Sorry, didn't see the link, thanks for posting it again.
Hmmm, this theory doesn't seem to argue against Natural Selection. From the link you gave, this theory is explaining a 62 million year extinction pattern. Any radiation according to the National Geographic Article (a link within the article link SavantSage posted):

""Cosmic rays themselves are not really that dangerous," said Medvedev. "They create [charged particles] that propagate down through the atmosphere—especially muons that can go below the sea level."

Changes in the chemistry of the atmosphere, and accompanying depletion of the ozone layer, may also cause increased mutations, he added. "

The depletion of the ozone layer allows alot more radiation from the sun in like UV rays and others, which can cause things like thymine dimers (yay! I remembered something) in DNA, which often is corrected by cell machinery. If it doesn't, and the mutation is in an egg or sperm or single cell organism that essentially splits in two, maybe this mutation can be passed on to another generation. If the mutation isn't detrimental and doesn't kill off or negatively impact the survival of the individual organism. If it doesn't than there is one mutation in a population of a species. If this mutation causes the individual to survive better than other individuals of the population, then the one with the mutation is more likely to breed and pass on the mutation. Eventually, most of the population will have this mutation. That's natural selection.

Anyway, there's more to it obviously, I hope I'm not being confusing. Heardthe Owl can probably say more. That's so great, HeardtheOwl, that you remember all that great bio! I can't 😔 and I miss it.

And, Wikipedia has a brief Chicken or the Egg article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_chicken_or_the_egg
I never thought about the Syntax explaination!

The chicken.
The question is which came first, the chicken or the egg, they mean chicken egg. Not eggs in general.
The chicken had to come first because otherwise
a. the egg would not hatch, it'd freeze to death
b. in the unlikely event the egg did hatch the chick would die as it had no one to take care of it and teach it to do chicken stuff

There is not a fime line in evolution saying "This is a chicken, this is not" it's a gradual process of little changes adding up until someone does a DNA test and declairs a new species.

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The answer is: it doesnt fucking matters. Seriously, we lack the resourses to find an objective answer to this question and convincing ourselves with a single answer is kinda foolish.
And it also doesnt matters, because of the single fact that, if you have an egg you will have a chicken, if you have a chicken you will have eggs. The answer to the question "How it appeared", at the end, has to posibilities: God did created everything, or Everything appeared and God doesnt exist (or it does but it doesnt matters).

This does not concern the topic of God. This concerns your philosophical point of view on life. Rude language is bad for the forum. 😔

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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The chicken.
The question is which came first, the chicken or the egg, they mean chicken egg. Not eggs in general.
The chicken had to come first because otherwise
a. the egg would not hatch, it'd freeze to death
b. in the unlikely event the egg did hatch the chick would die as it had no one to take care of it and teach it to do chicken stuff

There is not a fime line in evolution saying "This is a chicken, this is not" it's a gradual process of little changes adding up until someone does a DNA test and declairs a new species.

Yes a gradual process of little changes I agree. But there HAS to be a point in time where you say "look this generation are chickens, those are not".
compare it with the imaginate borderline between the middle ages and the modern time; you can't exactly date it".
When you appoint that chicken-like as chicken, you must be aware that you also appoint the egg it hached out of as a chicken egg. Because the embryo that became the chicken obviously precedes the chicken.
Thus wichever animal of those chicken-likes, each single one of them hached of an egg. That goes for the chicken as for its parents.

And the egg would hatch since obiously the parents take care of it. Since its a gradual process like you said the chickenlike parents wouldnt know the difference at all.

The answer is egg, but also chicken!?
Even though we know (if you agree with this theory) that the egg came first, it's not necessairly the chicken egg that came first.

If a chicken egg is an egg that hatches a chicken
The final answer to this paradox is the EGG

If a chicken egg is an egg laid by a chicken
The final answer to this paradox is the CHICKEN

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The answer is: it doesnt fucking matters. Seriously, we lack the resourses to find an objective answer to this question and convincing ourselves with a single answer is kinda foolish.
And it also doesnt matters, because of the single fact that, if you have an egg you will have a chicken, if you have a chicken you will have eggs. The answer to the question "How it appeared", at the end, has to posibilities: God did created everything, or Everything appeared and God doesnt exist (or it does but it doesnt matters).

This does not concern the topic of God. This concerns your philosophical point of view on life. Rude language is bad for the forum. 😔

Sorry, wasnt trying to be rude (though I dont think it was something really rude...). I just brough the topic of god because basically that is the point of the question: Did somebody put the egg, or it just appeared?

you guys are thinking too deep into the simple question. Which came first into existence, the mother of the egg or the egg which the mother came from.

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

The Chicken is the egg's way of making more eggs!
mmmmmm, omelet!

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Egg.

I agree with frustratedguy109. He put it in the words I could never.

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Egg.

We get an extra chicken if we say egg first =) Lean towards the side thathas more advantage for us! >)

egg, all life came from the egg!!!!