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Feature suggestion - spoiler options for categories

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11 years ago
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Hey. I'd like to suggest a feature that I feel is severely missing from this database, and it's the ability to categorize categories/tags by how spoilerific they are. Currently you either have categories set to display, which very often will lead you to bump into major spoilers about a work in big bold letters simply by glancing at the lower half of the page, or you hide them and sweep the problem under the rug (which doesn't make it go away).

To get a practical example of what I'm suggesting, you can see this system in action in other databases like VNDB's. Notice how there's 3 options for displaying tags:

  • "hide spoilers", which shows just generic aspects of the work and nothing that reveals key plot points.
  • "show minor spoilers", which displays more specific things like "desperation".
  • and "spoil me!", which pulls the whole curtain.

Maybe you wouldn't need the "show minor spoilers" option, but I feel like at least a binary distinction between what is a spoiler and what isn't should be addressed.

There's a couple other problems I have with the database but this is the most serious one by far, and I feel like fixing it would make many users' experiences, myself included, a lot better.


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Please. Please at least consider doing this. I have suffered already with these "spoilery tags". I totally second this!


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I think the idea is good but I see problems with differentiating between spoiler or not.

you would need to decide what could spoil something and under the right circumstances, every single category could act as a spoiler.

the only spoiler free categories would be stuff like: award winning, adapted to anime, etc. and that information is pretty useless to begin with >< (when you intend to read the manga at least)

I'll give an example:
Nisekoi
tags: childhood friends
under normal circumstances this would be completely fine right? in this case this is a major plot point that is not apparent from the start.

I don't wanna give more examples due to their spoiler-ish nature, but you would need to check this for each series if you want to do it right, so I don't really know whether that's reasonable...
and as always with that stuff, it's highly subjective.


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Post #653599 - Reply To (#653598) by Lorska
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Quote from Lorska

I think the idea is good but I see problems with differentiating between spoiler or not.

you would need to decide what could spoil something and under the right circumstances, every single category could act as a spoiler.

the only spoiler free categories would be stuff like: award winning, adapted ...

Well, yeah, of course. I'm not suggesting there should be a switch associated to each category that says "this is always/never a spoiler", but rather have it be determined by the community on a case by case basis. VNDB does it like this and it works great.


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Sure, it can be subjective but the categories are chosen by users who have read the series, right? So I'm tempted to think that those who read the series know what is a spoiler and what is not. Being so, the "subjectiveness" of some tag being a spoiler or not would be highly reduced, no?


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not really. that has nothing to do with it in fact, as those (other) people wouldn't even add a category in the first place. subjective opinions are generally created after stuff happened, and you'd be surprised how stubborn people can be (I remember a certain harem discussion not long ago, that was ugly).
apart from that, even what a spoiler is is heavily subjective.

I'll try to explain where I see the issue:
case 1: general classification not dependent on series - fast to implement, probably issues depending on the manga
case 2: adding a status for each category for each manga - each manga would have to be checked and issues with different opinions arise

the most reasonable way would be a combination, setting standard visibility and changing it where it needs to be changed.

but checking everything is hilarious and I wouldn't want the mods to shoulder that workload, because it is a pain...


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Why would the mods do it? Have regular users with upgraded accounts do it.

As for clash of opinions, I really don't think it would be nearly as big of an issue as you think. It's not in other much bigger databases, why would it be here (and especially if you put the upgraded account restriction in place). Though you could do a voting system with it. Just like how currently you vote for the relevance of a tag (which seems somewhat pointless), instead vote on if you think a tag is a spoiler or not. <50% is recognized as not being a spoiler and is thus displayed by default, above that it's treated as a spoiler and hidden by default. Done.

Though I think even without a voting system it would work just fine.

ps: There's also the fact that if a category is that ambiguous of whether it's a spoiler or not to the point of raising discussion then it's probably not that spoilerific. I don't think anyone will contest the big spoilers as not being spoilers.


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I agree with Lorska.

It would be a lot of work on the mods. I know one has a headache trying to go through the bespectacled protagonist tag and put a Glasses wearing Male/Female lead /Seme/Uke instead.
They have to delete useless tags, tags that shouldn't be on a series, etc.
To add on if something is a spoiler tag or not ...

Which you can't really count on the upgraded user accounts. Like Lorska said there was a Harem genre "debate" a while back, and if us users had to say this is a spoiler and this one isn't could/would cause a lot more work on mods to settle the situations.
Even the voting thing doesn't sound appealing ....

Hiding all the tags by default or not hiding them at all seems good enough.


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Quote from kitty1826x

I agree with Lorska.

It would be a lot of work on the mods. I know one has a headache trying to go through the bespectacled protagonist tag and put a Glasses wearing Male/Female lead /Seme/Uke instead.
They have to delete useless tags, tags that shouldn't be on a series, etc.
To add on if someth ...

I'm not sure if one of us is missing something but I find it really weird how we're on totally different sides of the court on this subject. The current tag system is mostly useless in the sense that while it does provide information, it does so in a very unfiltered way that is often detrimental to the people who care about it and spoilers it might contain (which I would guess is a good percentage of people). And when you're dealing with specific genres like "mystery" and such, some spoilerific tags being shown is a big deal.

The voting addresses the problem you mention in your second paragraph. If the community at large thinks that some tag in a manga is/isn't a spoiler, then that's what's it should be, and the mods shouldn't have to verify it. Or again, tags that fall under a grey area (like 40-60% spoiler approval) could be sorted into a "show minor spoilers" option.

As for useless tags and such, you could make a standardized tag tree (edit: turns out we do already have a tag list). Make a page saying "these are the available tags you can use", and only let users pick from those. Again, and I hate to keep referring to other websites, but places like VNDB already solved this problem. I don't quite grasp how with this said you could still find the current system preferable, but I'm totally open to argument.


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