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So there are Wars, Murders, pain... IE a lot of bad things happen, but that doesn't mean God doesn't exist, for all we know all the bad things in this world happen because God wants them to happen; with no real reason other than his amusement, I will be honest, If I could live forever and had the powers god supposedly has, then I would probably end creating the universe to ease my boredom, i would create life and give it free will and every time things would get boring, I would send a catastrophe just to see their reaction... because there is a rule that has always remained constant: Power corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, is just a matter of time, and for a being with eternal life, time never runs out, and as such, corruption never stops.

God is supposed to be above all this, but all the religious text show that god can get angry, that his patience runs out, that he will punish anyone that does evil deeds... this is obvious proof that God, as seen in most religions, can be arrogant and surely could also be corrupted by his own power...

I think Bart D. Ehrman's God's Problem covers this. 😀 I know the perfect book for you, but I can't remember the author 😐 So that will do.

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An entire semester I had on the Philosophy of Religion, specifically, the theories of acclaimed Atheists summarized in this stand up comedy video:

P.S. If you're easily offended, then don't bother watching.
Warning: Abusive language.

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Quote from ExzyruSxxx
We should all just stop arguing this out cause its getting more and more intense. Instead how about for now we accept that Lain is God or I suppose Goddess

Ummm, no. This is the only post that I really have a problem with and it's because you're asking us to take on your view. There is no right or wrong answer, each person is entitled to their own views/beliefs and even if they do not coincide with our own, we should at least have enough decency toward our fellow humans to respect their choices. Unfortunately, this is not the way of the world and intolerance is abundant.

Personally, I don't have a problem with anything anyone believes in, as long as they don't try to force their views on me.

I was just joking

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I was just joking

That's a pretty bad idea on a heated controversial topic like this.

Quote from Chaoswind

Atheism is the belief that there is no god, as such because there is no evidence to prove ANY religion is right, atheism could be right, but since there is no conclusive evidence that there is no god, that also means atheism could be wrong, in the end you believe whatever suits yourself.

For once I can agree with you. Sort of.

Theism is the belief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. Atheism is the disbelief of said thinking.

I believe in a intrensic higher power, and I'm acceptant of other peoples beliefs.

Therefore by definition, I am an Atheist. But, I refuse to be defined by someone's else beliefs.

As far as fanatics go...
Well... who likes fanatics anyways...

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That wasn't really what I asked, my fault really.
Would a loving god order an act of genocide? He did throughout the old testament.
Would a loving god order an act of rape? He did in Numbers Chapter 31
Would a loving god order an act of slavery? He did in both the old and new testaments
Would a loving god allow an act of polygamy? Many of the kings and prophets of Israel had multiple wives.
As for misogyny, the bible is rife with it. Disgusting.

The more biblically aware you are, the closer to atheism you become.

Sorry, but I had to quote this, because this is a very interesting point. You can also add human sacrifices, ie in Book of Judges 11,30-40.

I'm a strong atheist and I don't have any problem to recognize the historical importance of religion during ancient times. As many other things it had its merits and its faults. But the humanity progress and I don't understand why so many people have problems to accept that and to reconsider with a critical analysis precepts that were okay 2000 years ago, but they're not anymore.

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I agree that all the other ones are immoral, but polygamy does not belong in that list, since there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it.

I am a believer.

This thread certainly has a lot of activity. I don't like to discuss these issues, because nobody is convinced one way or the other, but I just wanted to make my belief clear. Too many times people throw out the idea of God, because they themselves have created a concept of God that is easy to reject. They say "God is such and such," and "who can believe in a God that is such and such." Well, yeah, but is God really what they say? I doubt it. There is also the myth of human progress. If more and more people are atheist, so they say, this is because the human race is making progress and becoming enlightened. They are the "brights!" But the human race can devolve also. In modern liberal democracies, as the U.S., God is not allowed to be taught in schools (nor to be fair, atheism), but this contributes to people having very immature concepts of God and of religion.

I'm not an Atheist.
But people can believe whatever they want.
Heck, I don't even know what I am.
My family's Catholic, they raised me Catholic, but then again, my own opinions clash with the Catholic views. I'm not all that religious either...daydreams in church 8D

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I'm not an Atheist.
But people can believe whatever they want.
Heck, I don't even know what I am.
My family's Catholic, they raised me Catholic, but then again, my own opinions clash with the Catholic views. I'm not all that religious either...daydreams in church 8D

🤣 I have that same issue too.

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I am a believer.

This thread certainly has a lot of activity. I don't like to discuss these issues, because nobody is convinced one way or the other, but I just wanted to make my belief clear. Too many times people throw out the idea of God, because they themselves have created a concept of God that is easy to reject. They say "God is such and such," and "who can believe in a God that is such and such." Well, yeah, but is God really what they say? I doubt it. There is also the myth of human progress. If more and more people are atheist, so they say, this is because the human race is making progress and becoming enlightened. They are the "brights!" But the human race can devolve also. In modern liberal democracies, as the U.S., God is not allowed to be taught in schools (nor to be fair, atheism), but this contributes to people having very immature concepts of God and of religion.

If God isn't such and such, what is he? How will we ever know what he'd be responsible for? Is it a miracle or a coincidence? Going by this, we should all just be agnostic. And could you explain to me how atheists have immature concepts of God and religion, and compare those concepts to the religious views of God, and how they're more mature than an atheist's view?

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Too many times people throw out the idea of God, because they themselves have created a concept of God that is easy to reject. They say "God is such and such," and "who can believe in a God that is such and such." Well, yeah, but is God really what they say? I doubt it

And what is God then? What you say?
If you can define God, I'll see if I can find it acceptable.

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Now wait just a minute.
I can't just ignore what you said here.
I believe you have a very wrong view of what the theory of evolution entails. Even going as far as to claim creatonism is on equal grounds.
First of, evolution has had many years of continues research put into it, even now. years of studying fossils, earth samples and what not. After years of research, Darwin finally wrote his theory of evolution.
Now creatonism is just thinking what some crackpot wrote in a book some 1940 years ago (because the bible was written some 60 years after Jesus' alleged death), The old testament was written more than a thousand years before Jesus' death and only the new testament was written not some 60 years but much less after Jesus was crucified.. Im pretty tired to keep going but I dare you to challenge the evidence behind the crucifixion with true and honest research as well (there are so many eye witnesses of jesus after his death, the empty tomb, how so much other theories of how he really didnt die that way are wrong.) furthermore the bible wasn't written by "some crackpot" but has over 40 authors and they all lived in different time frames spanning over 1000 years yet if u read it u can understand none contradict each other and theres also prophecy that has been proven etc. etc.

Any I'm done for today its late here and have school tomorrow and i just want to say that I am in no way angry or arguing with you guys and you are all still awesome people since you all love manga like me and you guys rock ^^...

and here I thought all the different versions of the bible where to actually eliminate all the contradictions it had...

They always say is because they want to translate it better, but truth to be told, they are just messing with it, in order to eliminate the mess ups and contradictions.

That is why there are Lutherans, Jehovah witness, Catholics, etc

That is why I don't buy anything written in the bible... yeah it sounds right and fine, BUT after so many men messed with it and changed bits here and there, there is no way it can still be called God's word... is the word of men pretending to be god, nothing else.

I take the PHILOSOPHY of the bible to heart, but anything else is a complete waste of time.

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Quote from Namiko

Too many times people throw out the idea of God, because they themselves have created a concept of God that is easy to reject. They say "God is such and such," and "who can believe in a God that is such and such." Well, yeah, but is God really what they say? I doubt it

And what is God then? What you say?
If you can define God, I'll see if I can find it acceptable.

God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.

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After reading a lot of the posts here, I started thinking some more about this and I have finally come up with a serous answer (though it may still have been influenced by stuff I've watched, I still reached this conclusion on my own.)

God is not a person or a thing or anything else. God is the collective conscious of all things. It exists only within our own minds. Our own thoughts and ideas shape what God is. As long as we believe God exists, it will. God isn't so much of a being or thing as he is a conception. a conception that can mean nothing to everything and all else in between to the individual.

To right the countless wrongs of our day
We shine this light of true redemption
That this place may become as paradise
What a wonderful world such would be

Well, I don't see the big deal of it. Overall about methaphysical related stuff, since you can't really prove if it exists or not, there isn't much sense in discussing about it. Saying there is no way to prove God exists doesn't exactly mean he doesn't, saying he does and trying to prove it through anything that isn't faith doesn't do much as well. You can give it pretty names as agnostic atheism or whatever but it doesn't change much either. So, what do I think about atheism, maybe it's just a stronghold for rationalism, maybe it's something more, who knows, I don't care that much to spend time discussing about it (even if I just did 🤣 )

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