Atheism
16 years ago
Posts: 15
no one should be offended by this but im sure someone will be(first time post, yay)
honestly i don't see how anyone can belive in the bible. the fact it was written by man for one. how many times it has been translated for another. and the fact that there is a new testamant. its just mind blowing how people can go back and pick and choose which "fairy tales" they want in the new one. they go hey this was true but this one wasnt. mind blowing. also i don't understand how women can follow it and preach about it. when in fact they are treated horribly in the bible. look at the fairy tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot gives his daughters to the mob to try and stop them And god wanted to save this family because they were rightous i think. i dont remember exactly why he wanted this family spared. when they leave the wife looks back and is turned to stone for her curiosity. then when they go to a cave to stay, the women get lonely and want a man, so they get their father drunk and have their way with him. and god wanted this family saved.... and this is just one of countless other storys in the bible. and what about the story abrahams story of sacrificing his son issac. he was ordered by to make a burnt offering, and abraham was ready to do it and everything, he had the knife in hand and right when he was about to do it, an "angel" dramatically came intervened with the news of a last minute change of plan, basically god was only joking and wanted to tempt Abraham and test his faith. pretty sick test. i mean im sure any kid would be emotionally scarred after that. you the whole dad wanting to kill you because his imaginary friend wanted you dead.
the prophecys that have been proven are VAGUE. even i could give out a vague prophecy and be right. im pretty sure the bible has alot of other prophecy that it has given out and failed. also, chaoswind can i ask you a question? im just curious to what philosphy you take from the bible? the treating of women like property? incest? the bible approves of incest. i'm not trying to offend anyone here so if you get offended from the truth than well. what can you do.
atheism can be argued to be a religon and not. personaly i belive its not. And trully everyone is a athiest. do any of you belive in Zues? Odin? Apollo? some of us just take it one god further.i am the same way you feel about zues or odin but then also to "god". if it is a religion not to believe in god, then by your own logic are you not also part of this "religion" because you do not believe in the greek gods or norse? Atheism basically wants you to think. not to just go, "o god did it". or some people say that they cannot discus it. why not? why can they not discuss it.
im also curious about the "very immature concepts of God and of religion." said by namiko. im pretty sure most atheist understand religion well, that is why they are atheist.i think i have a pretty big rant and again i hope no one is offended.
16 years ago
Posts: 640
Quote from ExzyruSxxx
After reading a lot of the posts here, I started thinking some more about this and I have finally come up with a serous answer (though it may still have been influenced by stuff I've watched, I still reached this conclusion on my own.)
God is not a person or a thing or anything else. God is the collective conscious of all things. It exists only within our own minds. Our own thoughts and ideas shape what God is. As long as we believe God exists, it will. God isn't so much of a being or thing as he is a conception. a conception that can mean nothing to everything and all else in between to the individual.
To right the countless wrongs of our day
We shine this light of true redemption
That this place may become as paradise
What a wonderful world such would be
So basically God is a delusion. 😀
Quote from Chaoswind
God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.
So basically Science is the Study of God. So then why religion ? >.>
16 years ago
Posts: 574
Quote from ExzyruSxxx
God is not a person or a thing or anything else. God is the collective conscious of all things. It exists only within our own minds. Our own thoughts and ideas shape what God is. As long as we believe God exists, it will. God isn't so much of a being or thing as he is a conception. a conception that can mean nothing to everything and all else in between to the individual.
What have you been smoking?
You're right though. Part of it. But I think "God is not a person or a thing or anything else. God is the collective conscious of all things," clashes with "God isn't so much of a being or thing as he is a conception."
Of course God only exists because we exist, but to say that God is everything, not a being, goes against what little ''proof'' history has in God. You can't just throw that out the window and explain that God is not a being, because if that was the case, he'd be the wind, our breath, the things we touch and the thoughts we think, then he's not a God at all, nor can be called God or anything else, which makes no sense. God /=/ substance
But I think what you're saying can be interpreted differently.
16 years ago
Posts: 313
infinite time and randomness can have pretty strange effects.
We have no idea how long "time" has been going on for (talking about before our universe was created, event). This is because limitations on us. If we were never created, we wouldn't be discussing this right now because we wouldn't exist. We have no idea how many sentillions of millenia have passed withought the perfect conditions for intelligent life, but to suggest a divine intelligent being made us all? I don't buy it. After you pass a certain ammount of time, odds are almost absolute that life will form, even withought divine intervention.
I think it's just that humans have a complex with always wanting answers to the hard questions in life, despite us having no idea what even causes sentience.
Breaking it down into individual religions beyond that is pointless, since every religion is based around some creation, and none seem to be able to clearly define a scope of the time creation occured (Big bang theory included. Cosmic background radiation shows that when the universe was created the energy output expanded faster than the speed of light, however, how can something going faster than the speed of light generate radiation in a complete and total void?).
16 years ago
Posts: 743
Quote from atomsk
And trully everyone is a athiest. do any of you belive in Zues? Odin? Apollo? some of us just take it one god further.i am the same way you feel about zues or odin but then also to "god".
How is everyone an atheist? It doesn't matter which god(s) you believe in, just that you believe in the existence of one.
As for philosophies that can be taken from the Bible (which chaoswind brought up), it really depends on the reader. Clearly (as there are so many religions) everyone has a different interpretation and will focus on different aspects of the BIble. Not everyone views the Bible in such a negative light. You said it yourself, people "pick and choose." So some people will take away positive messages.
As for my opinion on atheism, I respect whatever one chooses to believe in. I'm too lazy to write more. tsuto and greydrak pretty much summed up what I would say on this topic.
16 years ago
Posts: 26
Quote from waftingwish
Quote from atomsk
And trully everyone is a athiest. do any of you belive in Zues? Odin? Apollo? some of us just take it one god further.i am the same way you feel about zues or odin but then also to "god".
How is everyone an atheist? It doesn't matter which god(s) you believe in, just that you believe in the existence of one.
He means that ppl in general dont believe in Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Thor or most gods that ppl have actually believed in that means ppl are atheistic towards those gods.
Every god you dissbelieve in makes you an atheist towards that particular god.
It dosnt matter which god(s) you believe in, just that you dissbelieve some god, which makes you an atheist (towards those you dont believe in).
Now if you believe in one god what we call atheists just believe in one less god than you do.
16 years ago
Posts: 51
Quote from tsuto
Well, I don't see the big deal of it. Overall about methaphysical related stuff, since you can't really prove if it exists or not, there isn't much sense in discussing about it. Saying there is no way to prove God exists doesn't exactly mean he doesn't, saying he does and trying to prove it through anything that isn't faith doesn't do much as well. You can give it pretty names as agnostic atheism or whatever but it doesn't change much either. So, what do I think about atheism, maybe it's just a stronghold for rationalism, maybe it's something more, who knows, I don't care that much to spend time discussing about it (even if I just did 🤣 )
Belief and non-belief are both "big deals". The primary reason why I am so vocal about my atheism is that on two separate occasions my life has been threatened because of it ("I'm going to kill you" kind of threat!). I've lost count of the threats of physical assault but they were many.
For the record, I am not a Communist or a Satanist, nor do I sacrifice children or eat babies. I do not kill and skin cats. I do not commit violent acts against children or anyone else. I have never used a firearm to commit a felony. I have been asked all these questions (and more) by people who find out I am an atheist.
The good news about all this controversy is that today's young people are no longer following the family religion as strongly as their parents, and religious leaders know this. It scares them. Soon they might be forced to find real jobs. With the internet and open libraries, young people are getting the answers that their parents were too afraid to ask. I'm in my 40's now, and I wish my generation had that kind of courage.
I'd better stop before the thread closes
🙂
16 years ago
Posts: 617
This topic has sure cooled down a bit.
Quote from Chaoswind
God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.
You wouldn't happen to be familliar with Spinoza would you?
anyway, I found this video on youtube.
I find it pretty funny and actually has a few interesting points.
Do but despise reason and science,
The highest of all human gifts -
Then you have surrendered to the Devil
And must surely perish. - J.W. von Goethe
16 years ago
Posts: 1901
Quote from The Guy
This topic has sure cooled down a bit.
Because we've all discovered the redundancy of it.
16 years ago
Posts: 640
^^^^^^
or Everyone just converted to Atheism 😉
16 years ago
Posts: 3120
Quote from Nashnir
^^^^^^
or Everyone just converted to Atheism 😉
you're trying awfully hard to fan dying flames here...
16 years ago
Posts: 612
science is not a religion - let me start off by saying that
i am an atheist - as i don't believe in any religion and their different explanation of how the world was created/how to live your life/how you'll be like after you die
i don't believe in superstitious things - as i do believe that science can explain them all, as it already had with earthquakes, tsunamies, thunders, and storms
i don't believe in god - as i can't accept the idea that this whole world, complicated as it is, is under the control/manipulation/protection of any individual/group of beings that could have possibly created/implanted life here on earth
above all, i despise religious fanatics who hypocritically try to convert others to their religions through falsities and lies and threats and terrors, while stubbornly maintain that their religion is the purest, solely true cult - different from everything else
i believe religion is wayy too complicated to rest on the simple definition of "a belief in a certain god/creator/being (s)"....religion encompassed time and space, and therefore is a compilation of aspects of different cultures, traditions, rituals, worshipped figures, etc....if there is actually a certain god/gods, that god/gods' religion has probably been partially, if not completely, been tainted and infected by other religions throughout the thousands of years of human globalization and exchange
16 years ago
Posts: 1310
Quote from Nashnir
Quote from ExzyruSxxx
After reading a lot of the posts here, I started thinking some more about this and I have finally come up with a serous answer (though it may still have been influenced by stuff I've watched, I still reached this conclusion on my own.)
God is not a person or a thing or anything else. God is the collective conscious of all things. It exists only within our own minds. Our own thoughts and ideas shape what God is. As long as we believe God exists, it will. God isn't so much of a being or thing as he is a conception. a conception that can mean nothing to everything and all else in between to the individual.
To right the countless wrongs of our day
We shine this light of true redemption
That this place may become as paradise
What a wonderful world such would beSo basically God is a delusion. 😀
Quote from Chaoswind
God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.
So basically Science is the Study of God. So then why religion ? >.>
And Religion is the Study of God? I thought Religion was blind faith in god, and the "fact" that everything he does is for our greater good.
If you put it like that then yeah, science is the study of god, and why religion? jeez I can't answer that one...
also, chaoswind can i ask you a question? im just curious to what philosphy you take from the bible?
You know the basics, threat others the way we want to be treated... and... huh... hmmm Don't kill ants?
Jokes aside, you are aware that the bible does teach a few good things, (charity, selflessness, etc) and if applied well and in small dozes it can only lead to good things.
Quote from The Guy
This topic has sure cooled down a bit.
Quote from Chaoswind
God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.
You wouldn't happen to be familliar with Spinoza would you?
anyway, I found this video on youtube.
I find it pretty funny and actually has a few interesting points.
Well, if you take into account, that Spinoza is a last name, then you would need to be much more specific, but I am not familiar with Spinoza, but after asking google, I can see he was a philosopher... well to tell you the truth, I have never in my life finished a book about philosophy (read a couple of pages here and there, but not more), what I wrote in that post, is what I truly believe, or at least part of what I believe...
But I need to sleep... Work is a bitch and I have to get up at 3 AM, with is in 4 hours and 42 mins
16 years ago
Posts: 807
Speaking of atheism and people arguing with each other, I'm going to church tomorrow after 2 years 🤣 Time to pack a pillow or hide my yaoi inside the bible or book of hymms 😉 I'm so going to hell for that lmao
16 years ago
Posts: 8
If God isn't such and such, what is he? How will we ever know what he'd be responsible for? Is it a miracle or a coincidence? Going by this, we should all just be agnostic. And could you explain to me how atheists have immature concepts of God and religion, and compare those concepts to the religious views of God, and how they're more mature than an atheist's view?
Certainly many people who believe in God have immature ideas of him.
Quoe from Chaoswind
God is not a being, is not alive, god is the will of the universe, god is the laws that control the universe and give it stability, God is the mass, the energy, the gravity, the matter, the vacuum, the plasma, the atoms, the quarks and the bosoms, everything is god and god is everything.
I am not a pantheist.
And what is God then? What you say?
If you can define God, I'll see if I can find it acceptable
No one knows all the secrets of the universe! No human being, all of us of limited intelligence, can completely define God. Anyhow, all argumentation can only prove that the existence of God is reasonable, only faith in God brings us into touch with him.
