Why is actual sex so much more common in works aimed at females than males? And the difference is mainly noticeable between Shoujo/Shounen. You all know about Smut, and the couple having sex to further their 'intimacy bond' or some such, and that begs the question whether (some) women deem sex as an important aspect of a relationship (in a romantic way, probably).

While Shounen does have the Ecchi counter-part, it's very rare that the main lead actually has sex. I mean, does that ever happen. 🤣

So, DUN DUN DUUU~N. Discuss!

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imho, I suppose majority women have smut while men have hentai...not that saying women dont read hentai but its like I think many women feel uncomfortable with hentai which is why smut is a 'safer' haven...

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It's a dirty little secret that some women enjoy sex as much as, if not more so, than some men. These works cater to the women who want to see that, as well as those who just want the romance aspect of it. It's win-win for the mangaka.

As far as the shounen counter-part is concerned, it is more than likely this way because most men enjoy action/violence with a little bit of female flash on the side. Besides, there's always hentai if they want more.

(This is just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone)

Aren't there lots of ecchi and mature seinen manga with smut scenes? Some of them are actually about sex from beginning to end (Nana to Kaoru anyone?) And what about the huge amount of hentai and porn? I am sure they are enough for the male audience. Or do you think not enough? Only thousands of titles of hentai on this site but I am sure in Japan they are everywhere.

And there are softcore erotic films and the general R rated movies and TV shows which are genderless but I think a lot of men watch them too. Maybe it's a matter of niche - those who like romance would watch those movies instead of reading shounen manga, right?

Another reason is that, seinen and shounen manga have fewer titles about romance so no need to put a sex scene in (unless it's about side characters or rape, but I would question what the purpose of A LOT of those is).

A lot of smut plots are stupid do you think they are actually about romance? 😮 Maybe they are hentai for teen girls to read and dump.

Don't you agree that shounen manga (esp. from the popular mags) readers in Japan are younger than we usually imagine. I mean, there are perhaps boys as young as 8 reading To Love Ru and Rosario Vampire after they have wacthed the anime on TV. Maybe that's why some shounen mangaka tend to create their manga for a wider audience, including the real shounen (teen boys), those who are younger, and girls as well?

The More the merrier. Girls get to decide. Don't force them to get raped. I like to see a girl masterbate.

Take in account that otaku make up a great part of the fanbase of any manga and remember that otaku only like virgin girls, so they can deflower them in their doujinshi and imaginary marriages (eg. Kannagi-Scandal).

No, really, I am male and I like romantic shounen and many seinen manga exactly for the fact that they do not contain sex, or rather, because the approach to romance is innocent. The girls are pure angels and the boys are shy dumbasses. But despite those apparent flaws, the protagonists (despite the obvious and considering the average manga girl's physical perfection understandable attraction) never think with their dicks and actually want to progress their relationships slowly.

Take for example Pastel as a shounen and Ah! My Goddess as a seinen. Both regularly are criticized for having no relationship progression or being unrealistic because the protagonists do not get to be intimate with their partners. I do not mind that at all, rather, I like how those manga are emphasizing the importance of emotional growth and disregard the physical aspects which are prevalent in real life.

Call me naive or whatever you want but the thought of reading about bishoujos talking about their sexual experiences, boyfriends' penis lenght or worries about contraception and pregnancies over lunch on the school's rooftop makes me uncomfortable. To much reality or authenticity does not sooth my soul and that is what I read romantic manga for, the light-hearted purity of juvenile love. Also, the only sex scene I ever found aestethic and romantic was the one with Gutts and Casca in Berserk. Well, to be honest, I think teenagers should not have sex at all but wait until they reach a grade of maturity, responsibility and the ability to earn one's livelihood.

It's because of the strange paradox that somehow women have more sex than men. It's very strange, but seems to be true.

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It's because of the strange paradox that somehow women have more sex than men. It's very strange, but seems to be true.

Sex is Highly situational...
Around me, it's guys who wanna have more sex... I go 50 Kms East from my city and the scenario flips totally... as long as you're a guy, you have to escape hungry eyes prying on you... 😐

But in the end, I may agree somewhat to your statement, not entirely though...

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It's because of the strange paradox that somehow women have more sex than men. It's very strange, but seems to be true.

Sex is Highly situational...
Around me, it's guys who wanna have more sex... I go 50 Kms East from my city and the scenario flips totally... as long as you're a guy, you have to escape hungry eyes prying on you... 😐

But in the end, I may agree somewhat to your statement, not entirely though...

I didn't say who WANTS to have more sex. I said who DOES.

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It's because of the strange paradox that somehow women have more sex than men. It's very strange, but seems to be true.

Sex is Highly situational...
Around me, it's guys who wanna have more sex... I go 50 Kms East from my city and the scenario flips totally... as long as you're a guy, you have to escape hungry eyes prying on you... 😐

But in the end, I may agree somewhat to your statement, not entirely though...

I didn't say who WANTS to have more sex. I said who DOES.

According to some of the conversations that I've had, that does seem to be true, women do have more sex than men.

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Why is actual sex so much more common in works aimed at females than males? And the difference is mainly noticeable between Shoujo/Shounen. You all know about Smut, and the couple having sex to further their 'intimacy bond' or some such, and that begs the question whether (some) women deem sex as an important aspect of a relationship (in a romantic way, probably).

While Shounen does have the Ecchi counter-part, it's very rare that the main lead actually has sex. I mean, does that ever happen. 🤣

So, DUN DUN DUUU~N. Discuss!

While I don't have any statistics, my anecdotal experience is that smut makes up only a small percentage of shoujo mangas -- not even 10%. Most shoujo is of the purehearted, "he looked in my direction, and my heart is aflutter" variety. The most that usually happens is a kiss. And sex, when it does happen, is almost holy, an expression of the deepest love.

Shounen ecchi mangas, on the other hand, abound with panty shots, bouncing breasts, accidental exposure and touching. Although there are some purehearted romances like Densha Otoko, most shounen mangas that are supposed to be "romance" seem more like lust than love to me. You can often see nipples and the shape of a girl "down there" through her underwear. But even in a smut shoujo, you never see the shape of a guy's lower half -- the focus is on his face, his expressions, what he's feeling.

Usually, when a shoujo protagonist decides to have sex, it's always a big decision. She's making a sacrifice, submitting, making herself vulnerable. She wants to do it with the guy she really loves. When a shounen protagonist approaches sex, he never has that dilemma. Sex is "getting lucky," "scoring." Losing his virginity is a cause for celebration. Having sex with multiple girls only makes him more experienced. He doesn't have to worry about being called a slut.

Also, before saying that there is more sex in female-oriented media, keep in mind that there is no such thing as hentai for women (smut doesn't come close).

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Usually, when a shoujo protagonist decides to have sex, it's always a big decision. She's making a sacrifice, submitting, making herself vulnerable. She wants to do it with the guy she really loves. When a shounen protagonist approaches sex, he never has that dilemma. Sex is "getting lucky," "scoring." Losing his virginity is a cause for celebration. Having sex with multiple girls only makes him more experienced. He doesn't have to worry about being called a slut.

Actually, most shounen protagonists take sex very seriously, only willing to actually go all the way with a girl after they're absolutely sure they like her, and even then, they often care so much for the girl they have trouble going all the way. The ones who are less caring typically have no luck with women, and have little chance of "scoring" until they start to develop a caring relationship. And many shounen, even ones with lots of fan service, avoid the topic of sex entirely, and imply all the characters are celibate angels.

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[quote=x0mbiec0rp]It's because of the strange paradox that somehow women have more sex than men. It's very strange, but seems to be true.

Sex is Highly situational...
Around me, it's guys who wanna have more sex... I go 50 Kms East from my city and the scenario flips totally... as long as you're a guy, you have to escape hungry eyes prying on you... 😐

But in the end, I may agree somewhat to your statement, not entirely though...

I didn't say who WANTS to have more sex. I said who DOES.

According to some of the conversations that I've had, that does seem to be true, women do have more sex than men.[/quote]
So true! When I talk to my girl friends about sex, almost half of them say they've had sex with a boyfriend, but when I'm talking to boy friends, only one or two say they have, and they've usually been in a relationship for a long time.

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According to some of the conversations that I've had, that does seem to be true, women do have more sex than men.

That's only logical.

Women control whether there's going to be s e x or not. They're the "gatekeepers", so to speak.

A woman can snap
with her fingers, and
20 men will be around
her. A man actually
has to work for it...

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While I don't have any statistics, my anecdotal experience is that smut makes up only a small percentage of shoujo mangas -- not even 10%.

To be exact,

9,6 % according to MU's database.

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Shounen ecchi mangas, on the other hand, abound with panty shots, bouncing breasts, accidental exposure and touching.

In my opinion, having actual sex is a more intimate development in a relationship, no? Not to mention, more explicit...

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You can often see nipples and the shape of a girl "down there" through her underwear.

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When a shounen protagonist approaches sex, he never has that dilemma. Sex is "getting lucky," "scoring."

Wat.

Not true. They all lack balls,
probably literally as well.

And you can't see no shape of anything, unless... you
mean the e x t r e m e ecchi.

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... keep in mind that there is no such thing as hentai for women

snicker Hentai isn't aimed at men. However some Hentai magazines are, which is at least half of them. Hence the allusion that it's aimed at men. Nonetheless, even if that was the truth, women still do read it, as well.

Also, Yaoi is a subgenre of Hentai.

Gee, I wonder who reads those . . .

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Actually, most shounen protagonists take sex very seriously, only willing to actually go all the way with a girl after they're absolutely sure they like her, and even then, they often care so much for the girl they have trouble going all the way. The ones who are less caring typically have no luck with women, and have little chance of "scoring" until they start to develop a caring relationship. And many shounen, even ones with lots of fan service, avoid the topic of sex entirely, and imply all the characters are celibate angels.

I guess D-ASH and My Balls aren't representative then?

That's good to hear.

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So true! When I talk to my girl friends about sex, almost half of them say they've had sex with a boyfriend, but when I'm talking to boy friends, only one or two say they have, and they've usually been in a relationship for a long time.

Sounds like a small percentage of the guys are sleeping with multiple girls. 😲

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... keep in mind that there is no such thing as hentai for women

snicker Hentai isn't aimed at men. However some Hentai magazines are, which is at least half of them. Hence the allusion that it's aimed at men. Nonetheless, even if that was the truth, women still do read it, as well.

Also, Yaoi is a subgenre of Hentai.

Gee, I wonder who reads those . . .

Hentai isn't aimed at men? Now you've got my attention. Titles, please!

But yaoi is not a subgenre of hentai. It's its own genre. Some might resemble hentai, but others are more like smut shoujo, while others are more like mature seinen/josei. I've never read a hentai that goes for chapters without any sex scenes, while I've seen quite a few yaoi like that...

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