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Gasp. I don't think that I've seen a five-dollar book in a looong time. >< They're so expensive now...

Does Behe mention the evolution of reproduction? I haven't found any book mentioning how it evolved, and it seems to me that creationists would enjoy it as a debating point. And I agree with what you said: creationism is definitely spurring further research into the evolutionary theory, especially involving the alledged irreducible complexities. I don't even want to think about how much research it takes for a scientist to prove an irreducible complexity as false...

I bet he does. (I can't imagine how much hate mail he's gotten in response to The God Delusion...) Especially when he goes around saying that atheists should be called "brights." ._.; Christopher Hitchens does not see Dawkins in the best light, I must say.

Oh shoot! I'm so sorry. I misspoke. 15 dollar book. >_<;;;;; I seriously thought it was only 5 bucks. Haha... urgh!

Here are the contents if you want to get a gist of what it talks about:

Lilliputian biology
Nuts and bolts
Row, row, row your boat
Rube Goldberg in the Blood
From here to there
A dangerous world
Road kill
Publish or perish
Intelligent Design
Questions about design
Science, Philosophy, Religion

Err... maybe that didn't help much. :/

No, it doesn't actually seem like it talks about evolution of reproduction.

-Max

XD Stupid vague chapter titles. And it's okay about getting the price mixed up; it happens to me all the time. ^^

Christian critisism of Harry Potter, Very old News. 😮

When your dads a pagan and likes the books. What can you do?
Your Home book shelf has 3 types of Christian (apart from the very bad New english one), Ray bucklands and The Farras guide books, mums crystal books and a host of healing ones.

Well getting caught on vid in 😲 black robes and dancinig around the fire at full moon is somewhere between funny and you got t try it. When it came to talking to anyone who saw it. 😳

And you have a lot of threads for GOD, what if he or she did this just to keep us all going. A human without a fight is dead! See anyone older person who was active get told thet can't be they whither and die. Same goes for mind. The GOD is around just his moble phone battery is dead and the message server packed it in due to over load.

love and peace

Just wanted to say that science and the bible aren't mutually exclusive. Just like Delta pointed out with the Darwin's Black Box, I'd like to recommend this website.

www.reasons.org

The founder of this group is an astro-physicist who turned Christian, and has been using the things we learn in scientific research to support the claims made in the bible. Check it out, if you feel so inclined.

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Just wanted to say that science and the bible aren't mutually exclusive. Just like Delta pointed out with the Darwin's Black Box, I'd like to recommend this website.

www.reasons.org

The founder of this group is an astro-physicist who turned Christian, and has been using the things we learn in scientific research to support the claims made in the bible. Check it out, if you feel so inclined.

The Bible is a work of fiction, get over it.
How about we learn about how the world works by using scientific research instead of saying stuff like this is how it happen for sure now lets try to find some type of bs to back that up.
I looked at that website but it provided more ads for you to buy stuff then it did any science.

when monkeys developed sufficiently large enough braincases, they suddenly were able to grasp the concept that they would one day die. This was not something that the monkeys were very keen on, and so they immediately set about imagining scenarios in which this evident truth would be anything but. Religion is, therefore, a way for monkeys to deal with the pain of knowing that they will die, much like other monkeys use drugs and alcohol to accomplish the same task.

The problem with all this is that not all monkeys get along equally well, and they could not accept that everyone would get to have a glorious afterlife, so they invented everlasting punishment for the monkeys they didn't like, referring to them as sinners. Sinners are in Satan's grasp.

The problem with this, of course, is that the monkeys consigned to everlasting punishment by their brethren were busy creating their own schemes of eternal bliss and damnation to inflict upon the other monkeys, and thus was war born.

Another reason religion was invented was to control the behavior of stupid people. For instance, if an old and fat guy told you you couldn't have lots and lots of sex with whoever you wanted because he was jealous of your youthful vibrance, you'd probably laugh him off (and maybe punch him in the face). But if he convinces you there's an invisible, omnipotent deity who agrees with him and who will punish you, then he can control you completely. Seriously, priests are just creepy manipulative old people.

                  ---*www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Religion*

Life is tough......but it's tougher if you're stupid.
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Both very interesting theories, but can I ask for some evidence to the claim that you are correct. I've said it before, and I mean this with the utmost sincerity and respect, it's great to have something to say but when you have no evidence, then your theory is just opinion. I'm not looking to fight you, or create some sort of enmity, if science is the reason for your hesitation for looking at the Bible, then let's use science to show you the truth of the Bible.

You might as well lock the thread, the idea is far too open, not to mention. I think we've moved on evolution and perception. Which I don't think has anything to do with god.

All we know god did was create the stuff that came before the big bang. We have no other explanation for it. I don't believe in this crazy catholicism stuff but theres got to a a godlike entity out there.

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You might as well lock the thread, the idea is far too open, not to mention. I think we've moved on evolution and perception. Which I don't think has anything to do with god.

I wouldn't llock it, so far everything seems pretty god based to me. Evolution has been a hot religios descussion for over a hundred years now and is very much related to a a belief in god.

😲 I got carried away on some thing my eyes hurt. Below is a thought after reading a bit by several one of Christ. For reason they feel it is their right so say something. Go if this were Athens long ago you would be feed for your words. These are mine after long reading and watching many things.

To begin the Bible 'old testament' was more a how to book. Used for many years by a group sheep and goat herders in lands east of Jordan. Then some smart ass came along and said Hey we all can get rich because our GOD said so. Then there was no Christian, Catholics or any of the now bigger boys on this block to say this way. As the sheepherders got bigger so did their ideas on what makes what. Some things are a universal thing, great flood, time of darkness, coming of light and all that moral stuff. Much of which is Greek out slaves. Now we are not talking the slave trade of the 17th amd18th centaury. These people got into debt or sold them selves to work much like today’s quick I need a job.

All the bad dogma's, now about came in the last 2000 odd years. All of women heating (Ruth was given the arts of healing, after that flood), kick witches (not a god order more some old Greek mistranslated 'wiseone' once and 1,000,000's have been put to death in God’s name), Gays are not nice, I will not say the often quoted bit (From that quoted time in the bible there was not that many people around anyway).
Far later in this one books history a group guys got together and smacked out the way it would be for a 1000 years, this was about 450 ad. After Rome went bust due to many things. Death and darkness came form several who said they knew god over the next 500 or 900year. plague was due to not washing as those of the heath did and death due not even bathing regularly like the pagan godless Romans. They in Europe were all nasty, smelly, well killed more. Then came the parts of man in the bible such as clean is godly and all. (Go read more and find out, one brother kicked out of the tribe went on to make the Arabic nations. The sheepherders still wash up to their elbows like in times of old,)
Around 1550 one English King got pissed off at no one reading the good book but those who could read Latin, he got them to write it in the common language of his country English. Till now and here is a real kicker to this abridged tail.
The bible is a Jewish history first, a book of help second, inspiration third.
But as for a book on science, no, It Never was one. It is a good big book with many books in it. One thing it does prove is we all like a good story.

That is an end of a short history of the west's big book. It is not all, not as right as some would like. Hey you people try it and see just how backwards some the argument is.

God is. He is, as you the people out there understand it to be.

One more thing I am sorry for any of the bad spelling in any of my other posts. 😁

love and peace

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All we know god did was create the stuff that came before the big bang. We have no other explanation for it. I don't believe in this crazy catholicism stuff but theres got to a a godlike entity out there.

The logic of saying that something had to create the big bang is flawed, if you are saying that everything must come from something then where did god come from? If you think god was always there and doesnt have to come from anything why couldnt the universe be the same and was just there already and didnt need to be created.

Being an agnostic, I neither believe nor disbelieve in God's existence. My point of view is that it doesn't matter if gods exist -- or if they don't. I'm an existentialist, see? I believe in human beings creating themselves; whether there was an original designer for the biological blueprint is irrelevant.

In the end, whether people choose to believe in God is up to them, and that's part of their own self-creation. I <3 the human mind, and the ability of a human being to create his/her own reality. In a sense, a human already has the power of God -- the power to choose, to imagine, to perceive. There is no power greater than that -- no power that really matters, anyway.

"They sicken of the calm, who knew the storm." - Dorothy Parker.

Hey guys, I don't know if you ever listened to korn way back, but I used to love these guys back in H.S. I heard over the radio today that their guitarist Brian Welch left the band because he found God. And his Autobiography "Save Me from Myself" made the New York Times Best Seller list.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070715/28453_Brian_%27Head%27_Welch_Hits_NY_Times_Bestseller_List_with_Conversion_Story.htm

So if any of you guys are searching for God, I think this might be a good read into what exactly God does to a person to turn them around. Whether you take this as evidence or not is up to you, but his story is not unique and there are many people less famous that credit God to their incredible 180. If you read the New Testament I think you'll see a pattern in who it was that Jesus approached.

15And as he reclined at table in his house, many tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16And the scribes of the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples,"Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 2:15 -17

God, lol ahhahahahahah 🤣