uhhhh....
i am terribly sorry. i did not understood a thing of what you wrote above. pls translate 😔

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@zubz- i liked that cute little poem in your signature but the last line must be corrected. not "LIKE eagles" we cannot miraculasly shapeshift. the original is that we are protected by god, and sumthing like he will send eagles to protect us, and the people will be able to hide on their wings. its supposed to be something like the whole humanity sitting on huge eagles back and flying to the sunset. think aladin.

reminder- i am totaly completly undoubtably atheist. i just have to fix the mistakes i see in such a sensetive thread.

Well, Moritana, the song is written about Isaiah 40:28 -31. I definitely encourage you to take a look at it, because it might impact the way you analyze this verse. It's all about context. It's talking about those who wait on the Lord. Although I don't claim to understand the Old Testament perfectly, I don't think it's talking about riding eagles. The wings like eagles I believe is an accurate translation b/c it's talking about faith. Eagles don't flap their wings to fly, quite the contrary they spread out their wings and glide on the air currents. This involves the Eagle trusting that the Air currents won't fail him, and that he can depend on them to take him where he needs to go. In the analogy we need to trust God(The air current) by placing our faith(our spread out wings) in him. I think this a bit more accurate because the context of the verse is all about God's power and how he uses it to help those that have faith in him. Although I do think it would be really cool if God sent gigantic eagles for me when I was in trouble, but that is not realistic and God is very realistic.

Some videos of a conference held last November on the existence of god and whatnot, examined and debated by the scientific community. There are intelligent lectures from both sides of the issue. really long Check it out

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hmm.. we might be talking a bout different qouts here. last time i heard the analyze i was 8, and we were still studing the stories, less the analyze.. after i read your reply i did someyhing i never thought ill do in my life again, after i passed that final. opened my bible. and i found:
כח: הֲלוֹא יָדַעְתָּ אִם-לֹא שָׁמַעְתָּ, אֱלֹהֵי עוֹלָם יְהוָה בּוֹרֵא קְצוֹת הָאָרֶץ--לֹא יִיעַף, וְלֹא יִיגָע: אֵין חֵקֶר, לִתְבוּנָתוֹ. כט: נֹתֵן לַיָּעֵף, כֹּחַ; וּלְאֵין אוֹנִים, עָצְמָה יַרְבֶּה. ל: וְיִעֲפוּ נְעָרִים, וְיִגָעוּ; וּבַחוּרִים, כָּשׁוֹל יִכָּשֵׁלוּ. לא וְקוֹיֵ יְהוָה יַחֲלִיפוּ כֹחַ, יַעֲלוּ אֵבֶר כַּנְּשָׁרִים; יָרוּצוּ וְלֹא יִיגָעוּ, יֵלְכוּ וְלֹא יִיעָפוּ.

this is not much about faith. yaakov very much believes in god, and he explans that "god will not fly, will not touch. there is no search nor end for his wisdom. gives the tired, power. and the helpless, much strenght..." "....and be recharged strenght, and raise parts like eagles, run and not touch, walk and not fly."
the last part is a bit blurry, but what i believe that those quots suggest is that god will not interfere with humanity or nature, only the THOUGHT of him supposed to give u power etc'.but not anything supernatural.
there is a lot of truth in what you said. but as i said, we might be talking about different quotes.

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Wow, is that a Russian translation? Who is yaakov? The only thing I would ask about your analysis of the text is why do you believe your analysis to be true. What exactly are you using to support the claim that God doesn't interfere in nature or humanity? Why do you believe that it is the thought of him to give you power, but not supernatural?

These are the kind of questions I have to ask myself before presenting anything, whether that be to atheists or my bible study. I know in my bible study, that they are not afraid to tell me I'm wrong and then back up why they believe I'm wrong. In the same way I have to ask, what makes your interpretation correct? Are you sure you are using a reliable translation? The reason I ask this question is because I think your translation into English left a bit to be desired. Just looking at "god will not fly" or "will not touch" "raise parts like eagles" didn't really register with me. The bible isn't supposed to be something that only a select few can decipher. As you pointed out with the Catholic church taking advantage of the uneducated masses, by charging people for the removal of sin.

In the year 4007
The harry potter books will be the new bible.

Except by then they will have been mistranslated at least 6 times and there will be about 12 other Harry Potter books that were written by different people, all of whom claim to have taked to Rowling about it beforehand.

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In the year 4007
The harry potter books will be the new bible.

The starwars philosophy will be our new religion. 😛

Down with harry potter!!

Hahaha... actually, I've never read Harry Potter. :/

-Max

zubz, if u ask me how i can translate the bible, its becuz i have the original hebrew version, bcuz i live in israel, and bcuz in the past 11 YEARS ive been studying bible, and everything around.
i translated it from hebrew to english free translate. straight from the book, word by word. MY original translation. u can understand those words however you want, i wrote wht I understood.
have you been studying bible for the last 11 YEARS? did YOU had to sit through all this boring classes and answering test sheets? do you understand ancient hebrew? or did you just went through the christian lessons of the NEW bible, translated by the church?

and btw, if you dont know who is yaakov go back to your bible studies and read againd. cuz one of the fathers, the second born of the twins and yet was the favorite son of his father, who was exiled from his family and went on a journey where he found his wife. the guy who was tricked into working for a woman..

(... u pissed me off with the "russian" thing. sorry if i was too harsh...)

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I read that people have already been trying to get Jedi recognized by various govenments as a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

Yay! 😀

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Hahah y'know, if they asked me to believe in an all-knowing divine creator known as the midi-chlorians, I'd totally convert. XD hahahaha just because it's so awesome. 😀

-Max

ive been through that 48 paged final and someone still dares to hint that i am wrong about an analyze..... soooo pissed off!!!

(movie directors are the new gods. we decide what you see. we decide what you hear. we decide reality and we decide what is right. worship movie directors now cuz we are everything!!) 😛

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Just wondering...
Why would you spend 11 years studying a story book?
But hey i guess if you have fun reading a story book over and over and over thats up to you.

edit:
O nvm if your really only 17 then u started studying when you were 6. Shoot by that standard i've been studying computers for 15 years.
edit, edit: I mean no offense, as long as your not one of those people...
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zubz, if u ask me how i can translate the bible, its becuz i have the original hebrew version, bcuz i live in israel, and bcuz in the past 11 YEARS ive been studying bible, and everything around.
i translated it from hebrew to english free translate. straight from the book, word by word. MY original translation. u can understand those words however you want, i wrote wht I understood.
have you been studying bible for the last 11 YEARS? did YOU had to sit through all this boring classes and answering test sheets? do you understand ancient hebrew? or did you just went through the christian lessons of the NEW bible, translated by the church?

and btw, if you dont know who is yaakov go back to your bible studies and read againd. cuz one of the fathers, the second born of the twins and yet was the favorite son of his father, who was exiled from his family and went on a journey where he found his wife. the guy who was tricked into working for a woman..

(... u pissed me off with the "russian" thing. sorry if i was too harsh...)

I didn't mean to insult you by my question on the language. I didn't recognize it so I was asking what language it was written in. I didn't mean to anger you, and I sincerely apologize for coming off that way. I only know how to read and write english, and bit of japanese, so I was asking what language the text you posted was from. Once again I apologize.

You are absolutely right, you are my better when it comes to studying the Bible, I have not taken exams, or been in a class setting for the past 11 years studying it. I am only able to read english as I have said. I also haven't spent extensive time studying the old testament. I'm certainly not questioning your ability to read and write hebrew or your class room experiences, but what I am questioning is your interpretation of this particular verse. Interpretations need to be backed with some kind of evidence otherwise people could use the scriptures to back up anything. Moritana, even if you had been studying the Bible for 200 years i would still question your interpretation not out of personal vendetta but because I wish to see if you are telling the truth. Although some people are willing to accept experience of a person as proof i do not, even the most knowledgeable apologetics make mistakes. I can tell you there is a God, but if I do not have proof then I wouldn't be taken seriously. But once again I apologize for coming off as arrogant, but I sincerely didn't know what language the text was from and seeing as how you are Russian I guessed Russian. Although in retrospect since you lived in Israel hebrew would have been a better guess.

i do not consider myself russian, i only lived in russia for 4 years. right now im completely israely, since i got all my education in israel and i am planning on going to the army like any other teen.

about the interpretation of the bible and such stuff, in our time and age there is no such thing as one truth.
since i am a connections student (journalism) ive been thought about the new modernism. as i said, right now, there are many truth's. nothing is absolute if u believe there is god, then for you there is god. on the same breath, for me there is no god. we have different opinions, and different realities.
for example. if you compare movies of different directors, for this case, two documentries about the existance of god, one movie, by a director who does not believe in god, will show there is no god. the other movie by a theist director, will show you that there is god. both movies are documentry. both movies are reality. its for you to decide which one is YOUR reality.

that is also why i say that directors are the new gods 🙂 when we make a movie, for the viewers its something they see, the reality cuz there it is- on the screen, a documentry movie that is a proof of something. so you believe in it. but all movies are from the directors point of view. different directors will make different movies with different point of view on the same subject. and then they show it on tv, or in the cinema, and spread their point of view, deciding the reality.

(@drunkdecoy- i studied bible since the age of 6 becuz its in the israely education sistem. i also took some courses for extra credit.. (i quit when i realized im falling asleep after 5 minuts..and it was troubling me. questions like:"ur stuck with a friend in the desert. there is only enough water for one of you to survive, and get to safety. if you share the water you will both die. should be the only one to survive, or should you share the water with your friend?" are troubling me, bcuz I would share the water, but my teacher said we should survive) oh, and once again, the bible is not a story book. its a history book.)

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