Hi 🙂 I am looking for some manga/manhwa/whatever where it
isn´t stated that good must win and evil must be defeated... or that there isn´t any line between evil & good...or that the main characters aren´t so-sweet-and-ideal...

I am ok with every genre besides ecchi (it´s ok if it contains a little of it, but not so much like in for example...gantz...or ugh...i cannot remember, it was one manga where ppl could go out from their bodies through the night...that was too much ecchi for me...>_>)....and also i am not a big fan of mecha...

feel free to read through my lists, they are public, but i started to fill them only recently, so it isn´t very...you know...they aren´t "me" lol.

Thanks^^

I guess you best bet is looking in slice of life (esp. non-romance) mangas. Usually they don't have the good, the evil or the good beating the evil sort of stuff. Some of them just have realistic ordinary people.

yeah, but i don´t like slice of life very much... i like fantasy or some mysterious manga better...i don´t want them to be ordinary....

Try TAKAHASHI Tsutomu's works. His characters are not the sweet, ideal and good types. Examples: Alive!, Blue Heaven.

Goth and Welcome to NHK! types should fit too.

Can't think of any fantasy one at the moment. Maybe Trinity Blood?

This can help: kinda sorta evil.

oh, thank you very much, this really helped ^^ I´m going to read them.

Maybe, Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro if it isn't on your reading list?

Neuro isn't the ideal good guy I can tell you that. He's a demon actually XD

It's a mystery manga, somewhat like Death Note, but good and evil isn't really mentioned much.

Neuro is just there to feed his hunger pangs, he could care less about human motives. But, in order for the mystery to 'ripen' he needs a motive, and that's where Yako comes in ^_^

EDIT: This is really funny also 😛 It's not ecchi, I swear. I just hope you don't mind some SM references.

shin angyo onshi

despite him being the hero, the main character really doesn't give a rats ass about anyone. it should fit the bill

i like comics as well
don't kill me

shamo dude is just bad
shigurui no matter how you slice it there is no good character in it
mybe also ine of the following: doubt, freesia or homunculus

Code Geass: Lelouch of the rebellion? I've only seen the anime, but it kinda fits because the main character is trying to bring down the oppressive government while his best friend wants to reform the government from the inside (and opposes the rebel groups).

I also recommend Until Death Do Us Part 😀

yeah, i love until death do us part ^^ and i really like neuro 🙂 and freesia was really...O.o i like it.

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Code Geass: Lelouch of the rebellion? I've only seen the anime, but it kinda fits because the main character is trying to bring down the oppressive government while his best friend wants to reform the government from the inside (and opposes the rebel groups).

it is much more then that, ^^
ithe manga is not translated, but the anime got two seasons out, and it proboly won´t be a 3:rd one, chance are like 0% realy. (from what i know)

2 seasons:
first season 24 Ep, last one is a dubble ep so it is kinda like 25 ep
and second season is 25, I highly recomned this one after reading what u are after, take the time to watch it.
so kinda like 50 eps each around 20-25min so it should keep u for a while atlest.
(the name of the anime is simply Code Geass, season 2 is Code Geass R2)

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i would say Code: Breaker but i haven't read it for a while so i dont know what's going on atm but at the beginning the main hero was badass who burns anyone who is in his way. His motto "use evil against evil"

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i would say Code: Breaker but i haven't read it for a while so i dont know what's going on atm but at the beginning the main hero was badass who burns anyone who is in his way. His motto "use evil against evil"

yes he was badass in the beginning, but now hes not, he gone soft =[. it's not as interesting now, and he cares about the main heroine and let her influence him lol

edit: i also suggest the manga [m]Sanctuary[/m] , it's a manga about a politician and a yakuza boss teaming up to change Japan[at least according to them...you'll understand their beliefs and ideals and where it came from later in the manga...or was it in the beginning? forgot lol sorry] and get to the top in their own categories[politics and organized crime]

edit2: wth i dont get why the linking to the manga isnt working, its correctly spelled and i double checked it.... anyways heres the link:
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=1786

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Kurozuka

second Shin Angyo Onshi

if you want to try something different from other manga I'd say something like Historie (historical manga in ancient greek times) or Gunslinger Girl (alternative political reality in current Italy).

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