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...Let's just say that the more than rich people (or those looking out for them) are against universal healthcare. I'm a poor college student, so I'm not paying taxes right now, but if this bill isn't repealed before America starts paying for it (or I do), I'll be, at least indirectly, funding things I'm morally opposed to (abortion, for one). I am proud to be in one of the states that has already started to sue the federal government over this bill. I am proud to consider myself part of the party that did not shove this through. And I will probably be more involved in the next set of elections than I ever have been before, trying to create a bit of balance up in DC by making it so the Democrats do not control every branch of the government (let's not go into the Supreme Court right now...).
And even though I'll probably still be in college when I'm 26, why on earth do I still need to be on my parent's insurance? There are places to get health insurance for students, even those with pre-existing conditions (like I have).
...yeah. I'm sorry if I offended anyone; I did try to tone myself down tonight, but I tend to get carried away.

Where are you getting your sources? The bill is available online so it wouldn't be asking too much for you to cut and paste the portions that specifically says that abortion is federally funded. Even the catholic church is divided on this issue, with the nuns saying there's not, and the bishops saying there is.

I also don't have a clue what you mean Democrats control all three branches of the government. The SCOTUS is a conservative leaning branch, with Roberts and more than half of the members clearly Republican. Did you not read over the Citizens United Vs. Federal case ruling? That was a Republican victory.

Good for you that you can get student health insurance until you're 26. But not all people stay in college until they're 26. Many finish with they're 22, 23 years old, so they then no longer can qualify for student health plans, but aren't paid enough to actually buy insurance on their own. I also have a pre-existing condition where the only plan available to me was a $400/month catastrophe-only plan, and as a recent grad there was no way in hell I could afford that. But if this bill delivers what it promises then this issue is largely irrelevant.

But it's weird why Repubs are now up in arms as if this health care is worse than giving the ultra-rich two gigantic tax cuts, or waging 2 wars, or giving hundreds of billions of taxpayer money to the pharm industry. More people die each year from a lack of health care than all terrorists attacks in the history of the US, yet when Bush was in power health care was largely ignored. Both Dems and Repubs are parasites to society, except one party is at least smart enough to know that it's not good to kill the host.

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Where I sit that first one is called a bought vote.
and to the second one, exactly, I can safely wager a decent some that half the votes for it where made by people that haven't read it.

From what I've heard or read about it I am against it. They could've taken their time and made it great, but instead decided to force it through while still full of mysteries and holes. I would encourage my state to join the other 14 in the law suit at the moment, but thats just me. Oh, not to mention some unconstitutional bits are strewn about in it.

Congress is too corrupt for a clean bill to pass through. We couldn't even get the public option in. But in time kinks are worked out. For example, Medicare was largely useless when it first passed, since it doesn't kick in until you're 65, but the average lifespan of a US citizen at that time was 63. That would be like passing Medicare now and having to be ~80 years old to get benefits. In any case, the status quo is completely unacceptable, since people are dying needlessly. Including children.

I honestly don't think Healthcare is the biggest issue right now for the US.
I'd say reform your political system first. Your two party system is more flawed than the notion of Intelligent Design. For a country that prides itself for it's great democracy, your pretty bad at it.
But that wasn't the topic here.

I find it remarkable that there is actually a country in the developed world that still doesn't have universal healthcare. I mean, even Thailand has it.
What I find hilarious however is how US politicians try to convince the US public that universal healthcare is satan. Saying things like that it is historically proven to be a failed system.
If it's a failed system, then why is it such a big hit in every other developed country on the planet?
I love how I can get sick, go to a hospital, show them my insurance card, get treated and leave to never hear anything of it ever again. Except maybe a letter from my insurance company stating what I was in the hospital for.
Unless I got treated for something I wasn't covered for. In that case I get a bill, which is severely reduced thanks to the common risk pool.

Do but despise reason and science,
The highest of all human gifts -
Then you have surrendered to the Devil
And must surely perish. - J.W. von Goethe

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I'll be, at least indirectly, funding things I'm morally opposed to (abortion, for one).

Where are you getting your sources? The bill is available online so it wouldn't be asking too much for you to cut and paste the portions that specifically says that abortion is federally funded. Even the catholic church is divided on this issue, with the nuns saying there's not, and the bishops saying there is.

I would like to point out that while abortion will not be directly funded, due to federal funding, organizations, such as planned parenthood, can take money they already have off of other things, focus it on abortion and then use the federal money to pay for where the abortion money came from. Thus, I would be indirectly funding abortion despite the fact that federal funding of abortion will be nonexistant.

I am a breath of insanity in a world of chaos.

Me: Performing Random Acts of Klutziness for over 30 years.

Distribution of wealth is a moral obligation that we Americans seemed to have completely disregarded.

The way I see it, this bill will help with the distribution of wealth.

[color=#ff0000]"“That's the difference between me and the rest of the world!
Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!” "[/color]

The new Health Care bill passing in the US would cause problems for small businesses though, by having to pay health care for employees, and leaving not enough to pay off loans, mortgages, and ends meet.

I don't understand why our health care plan isn't like Canada's or the rest of the world's. 😐