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Yeah, but some artists like to draw the "naughty bits", but they generally aren't too explicitly shown or detailed much... but yes, "hentai" is usually more explicit.

Soft core porn is still porn.

Tell that to all the artists who have their sexual paintings and statues in museums...

How about this, what if it was not drawings, what if they were statues... yes, there are statues of people engaging in sexual acts, but isn't classified as pornography... instead thought as fine art...

“𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓇𝑜𝓈𝑒'𝓈 𝓇𝒶𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓁𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓇𝓃𝓈.” ― 𝑀𝒶𝓌𝓁𝒶𝓃𝒶 𝒥𝒶𝓁𝒶𝓁-𝒶𝓁-𝒟𝒾𝓃 𝑅𝓊𝓂𝒾.
あたしは腐女子です。少女漫画、たくさん読んでください。

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Tell that to all the artists who have their sexual paintings and statues in museums...

How about this, what if it was not drawings, what if they were statues... yes, there are statues of people engaging in sexual acts, but isn't classified as pornography... instead thought as fine art...

Do people masturbate to sexual paintings and statues in museums? Not generally.

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

People don't generally masturbate to BL either...

Nor can you find heavy porn magazines in bookstores but you can by BL in bookstores...

So, a drawn comic is porn, but sexually graphic statues aren't, and nor are romance novels? Which generally contain the same content as BL manga do...

“𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓇𝑜𝓈𝑒'𝓈 𝓇𝒶𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓁𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓇𝓃𝓈.” ― 𝑀𝒶𝓌𝓁𝒶𝓃𝒶 𝒥𝒶𝓁𝒶𝓁-𝒶𝓁-𝒟𝒾𝓃 𝑅𝓊𝓂𝒾.
あたしは腐女子です。少女漫画、たくさん読んでください。

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People don't generally masturbate to BL either...

This is like saying "people don't generally masturbate to manga". Well it's true, but you're fusing together sexually explicit and non sexually explicit manga into one category.

Same with your "BL" label. Some of it is sexually explicit, some of it isn't. When I say yaoi, I'm talking about the sexually explicit stuff.

Nor can you find heavy porn magazines in bookstores but you can by BL in bookstores...

As if the bookstore owners know the contents of every book in their stores...

So, a drawn comic is porn, but sexually graphic statues aren't, and nor are romance novels? Which generally contain the same content as BL manga do...

If the point of the novel is sexually titillating the reader, it's porn. Most full length novels are a bit too long to get by on this kind of thing though...

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

Ah, I see. But some BL (yaoi) has a plot, but explicit scenes.

And, I know bookstores KNOW the contents of their books, because English licensors, such as DMP/June, were censoring BL manga/novels due to BORDER's restrictions on content.

I mean, yeah, there is "porn" BL, like I've stated. Actually, I love stuff by MINAMI Haruka, KAMON Saeko, IKE Reibun and GUREN Naomi, but yes, their usual work can very well be called "porn", but there is some sexual work, that isn't made to be "porn", such as the works of TAKANAGA Hinako, TATENO Makoto, YOSHINAGA Fumi and MIYAMOTO Kano... and BL artists whose works teeter on the fine-line between erotic literature/art and porn, like YAMANE Ayano and NEKO Yayoi (Yayoi Neko is AWESOME!)

Most of the porn stuff is technically found in doujinshi markets though, where mangaka have absolute reign over their work...

“𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓇𝑜𝓈𝑒'𝓈 𝓇𝒶𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓁𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓇𝓃𝓈.” ― 𝑀𝒶𝓌𝓁𝒶𝓃𝒶 𝒥𝒶𝓁𝒶𝓁-𝒶𝓁-𝒟𝒾𝓃 𝑅𝓊𝓂𝒾.
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And, I know bookstores KNOW the contents of their books, because English licensors, such as DMP/June, were censoring BL manga/novels due to BORDER's restrictions on content.

You said it all right there, it's porn
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It's porn.

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Yaoi is porn.

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Quote from Bunny-chan

And, I know bookstores KNOW the contents of their books, because English licensors, such as DMP/June, were censoring BL manga/novels due to BORDER's restrictions on content.

I mean, yeah, there is "porn" BL, like I've stated.

It's Porn.

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Not all of it...

Do you have no respect for BL mangaka?

Even Yaoi-Con, the USA's only BL convention says that its not gay porn: http://www.yaoicon.com/what-is-yaoi

“𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓇𝑜𝓈𝑒'𝓈 𝓇𝒶𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓁𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓇𝓃𝓈.” ― 𝑀𝒶𝓌𝓁𝒶𝓃𝒶 𝒥𝒶𝓁𝒶𝓁-𝒶𝓁-𝒟𝒾𝓃 𝑅𝓊𝓂𝒾.
あたしは腐女子です。少女漫画、たくさん読んでください。

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Even Yaoi-Con, the USA's only BL convention says that its not gay porn: http://www.yaoicon.com/what-is-yaoi

Your argument is invalid.

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You are like the dense main character in a shoujo manga.

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And you will murder someone one day, pika. If you're my daughter.

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Quote from Bunny-chan

Even Yaoi-Con, the USA's only BL convention says that its not gay porn: http://www.yaoicon.com/what-is-yaoi

Your argument is invalid.

How exactly? Considering the BL convention's explaination is based after what many BL publishing houses and mangaka have stated. I also remember a BL mangaka had a tizzy when a gay man confronted her, check out Alex Woolfson's website:

http://yaoi911.com/

(Alex Woolfson is a middle-aged gay man BTW)

“𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝓇𝑜𝓈𝑒'𝓈 𝓇𝒶𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓉 𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝓁𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓈 𝒾𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓇𝓃𝓈.” ― 𝑀𝒶𝓌𝓁𝒶𝓃𝒶 𝒥𝒶𝓁𝒶𝓁-𝒶𝓁-𝒟𝒾𝓃 𝑅𝓊𝓂𝒾.
あたしは腐女子です。少女漫画、たくさん読んでください。

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Even Yaoi-Con, the USA's only BL convention says that its not gay porn: http://www.yaoicon.com/what-is-yaoi

Your argument is invalid.

How exactly? Considering the BL convention's explaination is based after what many BL publishing houses and mangaka have stated. I also remember a BL mangaka had a tizzy when a gay man confronted her, check out Alex Woolfson's website:

http://yaoi911.com/

(Alex Woolfson is a middle-aged gay man BTW)

Because your source is horribly flawed. You shouldn't source something with an obvious bias, it has no weight.

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Not all of it...

Do you have no respect for BL mangaka?

Even Yaoi-Con, the USA's only BL convention says that its not gay porn: http://www.yaoicon.com/what-is-yaoi

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