No need to pay for before college.(which we pay already in tax)
For college of course you need to pay.
In my country, everyone is eligible for education loan which was taken by almost everyone. But, this will make people to graduate with a debt that need to be paid once they start a job.At least you got money for your university expenses(fees, books and hostel).
There is always other choice which is scholarship but this will bind you to work with them for a few years.
Sadly, there is nothing free in this world.

I'll say no, but my professor made a really good point about it the other day. I don't know about you, but here in public schools, since it's free, students couldn't care less about school or education. Teachers come and go as they feel like it and students are sent home early almost everyday. In other words, they don't take it seriously and the school doesn't help either. On the other hand, when you are paying school, you are more concerned of your grades or it'll cost you (your parents, in any case), so you have to study. Teachers have to go to school or they don't get paid. Education has changed alot through the years. In my parents time, public schools were as good as private school nowadays, but now it's completely different. Averages are on the floor, and if they don't pass the grade (which they normally do unless they have extremely bad grades) they just repeat the year without much thought and there are few who really get prepared to face the university. This said, we can't actually just say no or yes. There are still students who depend on schools being free to get an education and they do try their best. As well as students in private school who are indifferent to it. Of course, this are exceptions to the rules. Now, for college, it's fair to pay since this is the education that is going to get us a job in the future, or so I think. 🙂

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No. Simply because you shouldn't need to pay to learn. It's hard to explain, but it's pretty stupid.

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I have to say yes on this one. Carrying a +20k debt after finishing university with plans to return, I must agree that you need to pay for education, or at least higher education. I believe elementary school and high school should be free, but if you are looking for better education (through private schools or more advance education such as university) than you should be paying for it.

My main reasons behind this is because: 1) a cost on advance education results in a demand for results, 2) it sorts out those who are truly responsible enough and have enough drive to pursue an advance education with those who do not, and 3) the true costs of a good education

1. If you are paying for your courses like in university, you tend to give a damn a lot more about what a teacher is saying, what a teacher is teaching, and if they are competent. Colin's bear (an internet meme) is the result of a particular student that was displeased with the professor and the level of education that professor taught. As a result of Colin's bear and of the students, the professor was discharged and a competent teacher was put in place. Similarly, in my university, the students opted to have a professor assistant who occasionally taught to not teach the class because his accent was so bad we couldn't understand him. Ultimately, whether it is your parents or in you, paying for your education makes you give a damn a lot more.

2. If someone has 20-40k to blow on four years of education just to laze about and do nothing, they could've easily just stayed at home and blow that 20-40k on something else. Ultimately, those who want to pursue high education are (usually) those that are in university and colleges. They seek something they enjoy, or if they don't know what to do with themselves, they at least seek advance education to keep their future open. In the end, when you look at how much you spend on university, you begin to wonder "is this what I really wanted to do?" and for those who realize it's not, they drop out. I've had friends change programs or go to college instead of university because it simply wasn't what they wanted.

3. Lastly, the cost of higher education is something too big to burden taxes with. We aren't talking about elementary school where most costs came from supplies, staff, and the occasional 1 workshop, or even high schools that may sometimes be blessed with two or three tech rooms and a science lab. We're talking about a full blown comprehensive education experience that puts students knee deep in science every week. The cost of the tonnes upon tonnes of chemicals they use, the teaching hospitals they co-own, the nuclear generator they maintain, or the robotic equipment they order is something that would simply burden taxes far too much, especially on people who lack an interest in it. If we aren't going to burden the costs of our higher education, than who will? At least by burdening the cost of higher education, we reserve the right to demand better quality education as well, and in the end the final cost can be greatly reduced by scholarships, bursaries, and incentives that are given by various organizations, the school, and even the government.

Free education after high school is very unrealistic - if the goverment is paying for everything, where are they going to get the money to hire teachers and provide resources? By upping taxes to ridiculous amounts?

But in dream-land...

I don't care if a student would not take their free education seriously.
On the condition that if you fail because of neglect, you get kicked out. One opportunity only.

I had to pay through the teeth in order to get an ordinary high school education, all due to my age, rather than any lack of ability (my marks have always been very high due to work ethic). An excellent example of the government not taking an interest in paying for education any more than they absolutely have to (this is in Canada. I do not know how other countries handle such situations).

Looking at the matter objectively I'd agree with some of the comments above and say yes.

On a personal level though...
...with the situation I'm potentially facing - no. Apparently the uni fee in my country is rising to a maximum of £9000 per year 🤢 It's gonna be a tier system so for any of us wanting to apply for "quality" education at the likes of Oxbridge, expect to pay the maximum I suppose... Fortunately, I'm not a foreign student thus I will not have to pay the even more extortionate costs. I think for those who wish to pursue higher education, I'd understand the need to pay, but many of us are already burdened with the costs of living. To be honest, I don't want to spend half my life paying back those student loans.

I think the notion of 'should' or 'ought' isn't something that can be discussed completely. The word creates a sense of morality. Is it morally justifiable for one's education to be subsidized by the government? Is it morally justifiable for one to pay for one's own education?

I personally pay my own tuition, with the help of scholarships, grants, bursaries and other forms of government aid. It's quite expensive, and there have been increases in my tuition costs every year. But in today's society it's tough--though not impossible--to attain a high paying career with merely a high school education, so it's a necessity and I will pay, regardless of whether or not I should pay.

The problem with the idea of tuition is that, yes, you spend a lot of money for that education--whether it be private or post secondary--but what you pay for is quality and opportunity. Paying for private school, or specialized schooling is expensive, but it allows you greater choices in the future. If we ourselves didn't pay the tuition, then it would fall completely on the government, and frankly, government institutions lack funds already--due to various reasons I rather not go through here--and if we want higher education that isn't ignored or outdated for years due to a lack of funds by the government we'll have to be the ones pay out of our own pockets for our own futures.

I think the better question is "Is it necessary for us to be paying the prices we're paying?" Recently my university has changed it's tuition policy in my department and depending on how many courses I am enrolled in I could be overcharged, simply because I did not need to take a complete course load.

i already pay for my school, but i think we shouldn´t. but our public schools are for free and i think that should be done in every country.

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Public education has been a complete disaster here in the U.S., and college education isn't a right (Especially since you can learn the exact same material, minus the tens of thousands of dollars down the drain and a fancy piece of paper saying "I'm a sucker", from the internet).

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You should pay for Private School and College because they are not a governmental institution. They are a commercial institution, so yes, you should. But when it comes to University and Public school, Definitely we should not pay.

Yes but not much and I am ONLY talking about higher education. Basic school education and vocational training should also be free which it is in Germany. You get a salary over here if you do one. Not too much, especially in year one but you do get one. I am a certified librarian through both means but no Master for me. Enough is enough. Corporate leader climbing ain´t me.

The fees I had to pay for my 7-semester Bachelor's degree cost me about 2400€ total. The only other cost directly tied to it was me buying a book for my thesis for like 18€. That´s it. I only went for the 7th semester (3 weeks into it to be exact) to get a new registration so that I could show my landlord that I was still a student at the start of the semester to continue to live in the student housing complex for another full semester. See how tricky I am?
Being a student further allows you to live in these cheap as dirt apartment complexes if you want. Mine was really nice. I paid 250€ and later 270€ a month for a 25 square meters room in a metropolitan area. My flat had a communal living room + kitchen and 2,5 bathrooms with 7 people per apartment and all sorts of other stuff. Free parking, etc. High-speed internet and water + electricity were also free and you get a bus/train pass with your student ID outside of paying way less in the university cafeteria. There are also the reduced fees for your governmental health insurance (i had to pay it out of pocket as I wasn´t working during my education) and... It´s a long list.

German university students live quite the life and there is even a way to have the government pay like half your living/university cost for free due to BAföG: https://www.bmbf.de/en/the-german-federal-training-assistance-act-bafog-provides-educational-opportunities-2010.html
I couldn´t apply as me and my parents I had too much money saved away. You now know why people constantly come to Germany to go to university. Like in Sailor Moon! My apartment was quite the melting-pot. There was a time when I was the only man in my falt but another student who lived in a student apartment house that was part of the other university had co-ed communal showers. Like in Robocop/Starship Troopers:
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Is that where Paul Verhoeven got the idea 🤣 ?

In conclusion: The German school system is a gift. An SJW wet dream even. That´s a lot of Germany in a nutshell. Thank Zodd I got out of Russia as a kid. The actual schooling itself needs work but the conditions around that. Well, I can´t complain and I got my degree. That´s all the counts in the end.

PS: Don´t go for nonsense degrees! You need the ones that will get you a real job. Especially a cushy one. Aka. government work. One degree is also enough unless you want to pursue that one even higher. Life´s too short for bullshit.

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I really believe in free (and quality) public education for everyone until 18 ,I think that it is one of of the only ways to give everyone a chance to compete fairly. I do believe there should private institutions for anyone that wishes to have a different education or extracurricular activities .

And it would be nice if university/higher education was accesible for anyone qualified enough .This would ensure having better professionals. 😁

(I do think the Bolonia plan of equalising to 4 years most degrees is dumb and completely disagree with the almost compulsory 2 years of private "masters" (postgraduate degree ) that some university degrees needlessly have in Spain and most EU ) 😠

Compulsory education should be free as it need to be acessible. However I've seen more than enough kids who go to school just to play with their gang and often play truant. Their parents don't really give a damn about real education and discipline cause it's free anyway. The worst part of this is that that kind of kids is sometimes don't seemed different than those with low to no education (Imagine a highschool grad who still confused about which is bigger between 1/2 and 3/4, true story).
Paying for education is necessary as the whole society (at least the students and their parents) need to be aware of its necessity instead of taking it for granted. It still need to be acessible though.

no. but if you trust schools or colleges to provide that. you're already in too far gone.

or are you?