The parents of the kids who killed James Bulger blamed it on violent films. (full story)

The problem is not just the media, it is who is allowed to view it. I hear 11 year old kids shouting about how they got a massive killstreak on MW2 on the bus. The game is rated 18 in the UK. These kids (age easily recognized due to colour coded uniforms) should not, by law, be playing this game. The authority needs to come down on parents providing their children with games that they are too young to play.

The only way I can see "violent" media directly contributing to these problems is if people are exposed to it from a young age, or have learning problems or other mental difficulties.

Still, I can go into a bookstore and buy the most sickening book and there is no rating system on it to prohibit young children buying a book detailing rape, murder and violence in often very descriptive terms.

Correct me if Im wrong but although the media has a massive influence on our lives, you have to admit that it cant be made a scapegoat. Someone should have picked up on this kids problems before it got to this stage.

I was always told to hate the game and not the player. But here, do we blame the player and not the game? Maybe hate the game and blame the player? So confusing... 😲 😕

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I was always told to hate the game and not the player. But here, do we blame the player and not the game. Maybe hate the game and blame the player? So confusing... 😲 😕

I don't know if you're making a joke or if you're actually serious.

Either way, it was funny. 🤣

Anyway, does anybody know what the game was that he wasn't allowed to play? I see people assuming it's a violent game, but it could have been something else.

And I still think it's more of a problem with the boy's mental health than bad parenting...

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I think that already got something wrong to begin with...The parents actually make a great decision to take the keyboard away...That show that the parents actually cared about the kid...I got banned from playing PS2 a lot of time but I never go to kill my dad or mom...I've been playing violence game and watching violence movie since I was a kid...I just reach 18 this year but I never go to place and kill people or even hit them for no reason..Maybe sometimes I play wrestling with my friends but that just fooling around...So, I think this kid has any sort of mental illness since he was born...People don't kill people for any small matter like that..

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I don't understand why some people get so obsessed with gaming, but I guess that it happens everywhere. (For instance there was a news story of a kid running away because his parents got rid of his x box and he was found dead from dehydration in Canada) I think that the kid might have had some kind of mental condition (just maybe?) and that you would have to be as intelligent as a brick to not notice that your child is way to obsessed with that game. What could the parents have done? Reasonably they could have seen the symptoms of obsession and maybe taken the family to some kind of family help doctor.

We are most definitely not getting the whole story so we don't know if something similar had happened before (like him threatening his parents) or if his murdering his father was out of the blue. It was probably a mixture of the kid and the parent's fault, but the parent's should have done something sooner.

Actually. He fell out of a tree. Which, personally, made me laugh. Who the hell runs away from home (I'll have you know that where he lived was the definition of NOWHERE), climbs a tree, and then dies from falling out of a tree? That is a fail at living. The fact that he ran away because his game was taken away? Makes it even funnier.

I stand corrected 😀 . To be honest, I thought that it was kind of funny too but really sad. They did a show on violence and video gaming and they used this kid as an example (the Fifth Estate). Really, it's not the game's fault itself, it's the people who play the games. After all, so many people play video games but don't harm other people or act really stupidly because it's taken away.

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The kid was a head case.

I'm sure if he was into photography and his dad took away his camera, the result would've been the same.

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That's why you shouldn't take keyboards away from psychos.

I'd say it's partially the parents' fault for allowing their child to be brought up in such a way... but then again.. That child could have some sort of mental issue. Since he started playing the game for a few more hours after he got the keyboard back from his mother.
He wasn't thinking about his dead father's corpse next door at all?

That's...crazy. O_O

Like I always say, kids nowadays are scary.

That kid had mental issues. Sure some bad parenting could have gone into it, but mostly, it's because the kid was nuts and obsessed.

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Well "In teory" minors dont go to jail because they are in an age that their minds can still be shaped into the rigth way without going to jail

Shaped into the right way? And what do you mean without going to jail? Do you mean that when a person is old enough the only way to "shape their mind into the right way" as you put it, is only possible in jail? And they become "good" people if you put them in jail? And no one can do that unless you shape their mind? Also, "in theory" and "in practice" too, minors can go into jail. I don't even get your point.

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Sure some bad parenting could have gone into it, but mostly, it's because the kid was nuts and obsessed.

Bad parenting means that the kids have bad manners or what? Mostly it's because the kid was nuts and obsessed, and he just happened to be born that way? The parents obviously had nothing to do with the kid being that way. Except that they should have brought a witch or shaman or some random guru there when that kid was born, just in case, and the witch or whoever would have noticed that the kid was evil, and would have drove away the evil in him, or else, killed him.

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Well "In teory" minors dont go to jail because they are in an age that their minds can still be shaped into the rigth way without going to jail

Shaped into the right way? And what do you mean without going to jail? Do you mean that when a person is old enough the only way to "shape their mind into the right way" as you put it, is only possible in jail? And they become "good" people if you put them in jail? And no one can do that unless you shape their mind? Also, "in theory" and "in practice" too, minors can go into jail. I don't even get your point.

Basically, sending a minor to jail has no merit. We are not in a sociaty that rains justice on kids with an iron fist. Kids are the most impressionable because they are still developing their personality and charactor. He might be a phsycopath but still a kid. 14 is well withing the boundries of "kid".
Sentencing a 14 year old boy to life in prison is not constructive just harsh and ignorant. He threw his life away for a videogame? Lets put him in prison?
They should have places for these kids, social walfare...A good phsyciatrist not a hillbilly with a pitch fork and a shotgun.

I'm sure you could easily figure that out in your head? Kids are not adult, they are not fully aware, their minds are not fully developed and once more they don't always understand everything proparly.
Or were you just being picky with the way he wrote the statement? 🤣

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I'm surprised that his parents didn't notice anything wrong with him all this time. 😐

The kid's a head case. Bad parenting might have been some cause for it, but it still doesn't justify what he did. He had no valid reason to kill his dad.

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I'm surprised that his parents didn't notice anything wrong with him all this time. 😐

Maybe they knew, but didn't want to send him away to some center for those mentally ill. Who knows. Maybe that's how they were caring for them, in their own way. I doubt that's the whole story.

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Basically, sending a minor to jail has no merit. We are not in a sociaty that rains justice on kids with an iron fist. Kids are the most impressionable because they are still developing their personality and charactor. He might be a phsycopath but still a kid. 14 is well withing the boundries of "kid".
Sentencing a 14 year old boy to life in prison is not constructive just harsh and ignorant. He threw his life away for a videogame? Lets put him in prison?
They should have places for these kids, social walfare...A good phsyciatrist not a hillbilly with a pitch fork and a shotgun.

I'm sure you could easily figure that out in your head? Kids are not adult, they are not fully aware, their minds are not fully developed and once more they don't always understand everything proparly.
Or were you just being picky with the way he wrote the statement? 🤣

What merit does sending an adult to prison have? Do they suddenly become a "better person" (unless they become religious or something) or are you saying that they are beyond any help? Then shouldn't we just kill every criminal that is too old to be brainwashed or "healed". And you didn't make any more sense to me than chulian. I don't get your point (unless I was correct in what I said now and in my last comment).

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The kid's a head case. Bad parenting might have been some cause for it, but it still doesn't justify what he did. He had no valid reason to kill his dad.

What would justify it? And to whom? To himself, to his parents, or the public? Of course people are responsible for what they do, you can't just say that "but he's crazy" or "she didn't know what she was doing" or something like that. Everyone is crazy in one way or another. Who do you need to justify your acts? It's impossible tog justify anything for every single person. Is it a valid reason to kill someone for revenge for them killing someone dear to you? What about killing to save other people? How exactly do you justify killing another human being? How do you justify killing insects just because they're annoying, or polluting nature just by living "normally" (like everyone else lives)?

Of course he must answer for what he did, but what right do you have to judge him? Even if, in the end, it was him who did the choice of killing his father, what kind of life does he have that has lead him to make that kind of choice? If it was because of his parents' influence, then what made his parents become people who give that kind of influence to their child.

Can you judge him without knowing about himself, his life, the social and cultural influences and thousand other things, just because that's the public opinion at this age? For ancient Greeks it slaves had no human value, and helping a poor kid in the streets was a wrong and disgusting deed. Was that kind of values right? Or were they right just at that age? Are our public values then better and more right? Our our laws and beliefs evolved so far, that we are now sure what is "good" and what is "bad"? If so, then why does things like this happen?

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Basically, sending a minor to jail has no merit. We are not in a sociaty that rains justice on kids with an iron fist. Kids are the most impressionable because they are still developing their personality and charactor. He might be a phsycopath but still a kid. 14 is well withing the boundries of "kid".
Sentencing a 14 year old boy to life in prison is not constructive just harsh and ignorant. He threw his life away for a videogame? Lets put him in prison?
They should have places for these kids, social walfare...A good phsyciatrist not a hillbilly with a pitch fork and a shotgun.

I'm sure you could easily figure that out in your head? Kids are not adult, they are not fully aware, their minds are not fully developed and once more they don't always understand everything proparly.
Or were you just being picky with the way he wrote the statement? 🤣

What merit does sending an adult to prison have? Do they suddenly become a "better person" (unless they become religious or something) or are you saying that they are beyond any help? Then shouldn't we just kill every criminal that is too old to be brainwashed or "healed". And you didn't make any more sense to me than chulian. I don't get your point (unless I was correct in what I said now and in my last comment).

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The kid's a head case. Bad parenting might have been some cause for it, but it still doesn't justify what he did. He had no valid reason to kill his dad.

What would justify it? And to whom? To himself, to his parents, or the public? Of course people are responsible for what they do, you can't just say that "but he's crazy" or "she didn't know what she was doing" or something like that. Everyone is crazy in one way or another. Who do you need to justify your acts? It's impossible tog justify anything for every single person. Is it a valid reason to kill someone for revenge for them killing someone dear to you? What about killing to save other people? How exactly do you justify killing another human being? How do you justify killing insects just because they're annoying, or polluting nature just by living "normally" (like everyone else lives)?

Of course he must answer for what he did, but what right do you have to judge him? Even if, in the end, it was him who did the choice of killing his father, what kind of life does he have that has lead him to make that kind of choice? If it was because of his parents' influence, then what made his parents become people who give that kind of influence to their child.

Can you judge him without knowing about himself, his life, the social and cultural influences and thousand other things, just because that's the public opinion at this age? For ancient Greeks it slaves had no human value, and helping a poor kid in the streets was a wrong and disgusting deed. Was that kind of values right? Or were they right just at that age? Are our public values then better and more right? Our our laws and beliefs evolved so far, that we are now sure what is "good" and what is "bad"? If so, then why does things like this happen?

Errr..What's your point here..I can't understand what your talking about 😕 😕

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Am i the only one here that doesn't think he had mental issues because he went back to playing the game after? i mean if i just killed someone and knew i was screwed I'd just give up and wait for the police to come, and hell why not play some more while waiting? Probably the last time he will play....