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Sure some bad parenting could have gone into it, but mostly, it's because the kid was nuts and obsessed.

Bad parenting means that the kids have bad manners or what? Mostly it's because the kid was nuts and obsessed, and he just happened to be born that way? The parents obviously had nothing to do with the kid being that way. Except that they should have brought a witch or shaman or some random guru there when that kid was born, just in case, and the witch or whoever would have noticed that the kid was evil, and would have drove away the evil in him, or else, killed him.

Are you serious about this shaman thing and being evil? Cause it just killed the rest of your points for me. 🤣

And there have been MILLIONS of tests showing that how you are raised affects how you turn out. For example my teacher has pointed out that children who are disciplined through corporal punishment (Not abuse... just teaching a lesson through pain) are more respectful of elders and authority.

Furthermore @ noob: He definitely knew what he was doing. Nothing will change that boy. He doesn't need a reform school or prison he needs to be sentenced to life in a psych ward. We know from a VERY young age the difference between right and wrong. 14 is old enough to know that killing is bad. I'm sorry but when it comes to killing you are (well should be) taught from day one not to hurt another person.

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Anyway, does anybody know what the game was that he wasn't allowed to play? I see people assuming it's a violent game, but it could have been something else.

Gothic and Stalker.

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Anyway, does anybody know what the game was that he wasn't allowed to play? I see people assuming it's a violent game, but it could have been something else.

Gothic and Stalker.

Yeah, then bad parenting seems to play a role in this as well seeing how S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a mature game and all...

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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For example my teacher has pointed out that children who are disciplined through corporal punishment (Not abuse... just teaching a lesson through pain) are more respectful of elders and authority.

What a horrible thing to say.

First of all, if one of my teachers would have tried to tell me why corporal punishment is justified, I would have become quite suspicious against him. What would have come next? He hits me in the head and I say: "Geat job you done there, sir. Care to give me another? I can really feel the pain giving me a good lesson."

Furthermore, who can say that it is a good thing when children are overly respectful of elders and authority? Raising timid children is creating timid citizens. Many, if not all, great achievements (politically as well as in the sciences, etc.) were revolutions and were initiated by people who didn't care too much about the ways they were taught.

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For example my teacher has pointed out that children who are disciplined through corporal punishment (Not abuse... just teaching a lesson through pain) are more respectful of elders and authority.

What a horrible thing to say.

First of all, if one of my teachers would have tried to tell me why corporal punishment is justified, I would have become quite suspicious against him. What would have come next? He hits me in the head and I say: "Geat job you done there, sir. Care to give me another? I can really feel the pain giving me a good lesson."

Furthermore, who can say that it is a good thing when children are overly respectful of elders and authority? Raising timid children is creating timid citizens. Many, if not all, great achievements (politically as well as in the sciences, etc.) were revolutions and were initiated by people who didn't care too much about the ways they were taught.

I for one believe in corporal punisment when raising kids. Gotta set them some boundries. I'm not going to have any kids though so you sensitive people don't have to get all worried 😀

Now that's what you call obsession... 🤨

I think he was born crazy... He needs some serious help.
I actually thought there was some limit to addiction, but I guess not. To actually go far as to killing his dad... He should be sent to a mental hospital, not in jail! 😔

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Basically, sending a minor to jail has no merit. We are not in a sociaty that rains justice on kids with an iron fist. Kids are the most impressionable because they are still developing their personality and charactor. He might be a phsycopath but still a kid. 14 is well withing the boundries of "kid".
Sentencing a 14 year old boy to life in prison is not constructive just harsh and ignorant. He threw his life away for a videogame? Lets put him in prison?
They should have places for these kids, social walfare...A good phsyciatrist not a hillbilly with a pitch fork and a shotgun.

I'm sure you could easily figure that out in your head? Kids are not adult, they are not fully aware, their minds are not fully developed and once more they don't always understand everything proparly.
Or were you just being picky with the way he wrote the statement? 🤣

What merit does sending an adult to prison have? Do they suddenly become a "better person" (unless they become religious or something) or are you saying that they are beyond any help? Then shouldn't we just kill every criminal that is too old to be brainwashed or "healed". And you didn't make any more sense to me than chulian. I don't get your point (unless I was correct in what I said now and in my last comment).

Sending an adult to prison is sociaties "punishment". He may not learn from it if he chooses, however it is a punishment sent down to those breaking law.

Now there is a case of a man who farmed his kids in the darkness of his basement. Giving them nothing but bare neccesaties, having them in cages, never revealing them to daylight or the outside world. In fact the neighbours did not even know he had a child. Now he slept with his child, let her give birth through his actions most of this kids died ( he had more than one). Now someone this sick and twisted decided one day after many years of mutany..."My daughter is feeling sick, let me take her to a hospital". This is the day he was caught and sentenced.

Now during the sentencing he was convicted guilty and sent to life in prison. They had a constant flood of phsyciatrists in to understand what would make a person this "crazy?", this disconnection with sociaty. When we sentence people we are not just punishing them we also wish to solve the problem. (I mean after all that he got caught bringing her to hospital? after leting most of them die?)

"Heck why de'hell dun kill dem son'o bitches, we gon create a utopia! Wipe dat scum from de earth."
Is what you are suggesting right? Kids ARE still developing their charactor and understanding. Prioritizing a lolipop over their house is something a kid could do.A simple example but my point is they haven't developed to the point were they are fully aware of things.
A phsycatrist will expand on this in a far more detailed way. A person phsycological state has alot of weight on their sentence.
We ain't in the 1500's man, we don't just punish everything without fully understanding all the elements. We don't sentence kids down here to life for a reason or jail because their is no good reasoning in such punishment besides blind revenge. 🤣

There are speacial places for these kids. Not JAIL like in Russia.

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Errr..What's your point here..I can't understand what your talking about 😕 😕

Well maybe you shouldn't think so hard.

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Are you serious about this shaman thing and being evil? Cause it just killed the rest of your points for me. 🤣

Wait, what? You know, all my "points" are exactly like that. But don't worry, I won't reply to you anymore (what's the point?).

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I think you were born crazy.

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For example my teacher has pointed out that children who are disciplined through corporal punishment (Not abuse... just teaching a lesson through pain) are more respectful of elders and authority.

What a horrible thing to say.

I think that sometimes it's a good thing (but only sometimes). You don't need to hit hard. What's the point of making children obey because they only do it because they're afraid to get hurt. I think it's fine to make them realize that they did something wrong. But this is only on certain occasions, since usually there are better methods.

For example, sometimes kids might not realize that they hurt someone. There was a kid my age in elementary school who used to hit one of his friends in the arm just for the heck of it (kind of a tsukkomi really, though the other boy wasn't much of a boke). So, I hit the tsukkomi kid pretty hard (pretty hard for me) in his arm just after he had hit the not-so-boke kid. After that the tsukkomi boy reflected for a space, then wandered off somewhere, and he never hit the not-so-boke kid again (though he never apologized either—not his character I guess).

Now that's just a one kind of example, but it works.

Here's something to reflect.

A novel is told in first person—the narrator is the protagonist. The protagonist tells how he was jogging on some small road, when he came across one of her friends. Her friend's hands are bloody, and he tells her that he was just butchering a kitten for fun. Then she tells that she continued jogging and then arrived at her apartment.

At this point most people would think: "poor kitten!" or "how cruel". Instead of that, you might think it like this: "what kind of person was this friend of hers?" Now if she's a good and nice person, you might wonder if she'd be friends with someone who kills kittens for kicks. You might think it like this: "oh, he must be a good person. That means he didn't kill a kitten after all. Was it just a joke?" If the narrator doesn't give any more information of her friend than that, then it's impossible to know. "Maybe he was just joking." For the narrator it was obvious, if she told of her friend earlier, it should be obvious and not worth mentioning. "Maybe he was just preparing a chicken for dinner", "maybe he just lied to her for some reason we—and apparently she too—don't know".

Maybe there's a fault in the narrator. I mean, everyone makes mistakes, right? Maybe she misheard her friend. Maybe she just plain lied. Perhaps he wasn't her friend, but she hated him, and wanted him to look bad. Or perhaps she's just a lazy bum who lied about her having gone jogging in the first place and just tried to think of something that happened while doing it to make it seem more realistic. Maybe she's the kitten, who wrote the story in order to brainwash people to think that people are evil and kittens are good.

Now this is still the author's story, not the narrator's. Reality is usually more boring, but reality is also more difficult.

I know most of you don't get the point of this whole story, but if you would, then there would be no point in writing this. That's why this is for reflecting.

@fr33noob: I didn't even bother replying to you, but I thought that I should let you know that I didn't (not that I just missed your comment). But now that I started, here's another point: You can't understand someone if you already have set assumptions what the person's going to say. Try reading some Bradbury or something (I don't like his books at all). Or like in that Vagabond manga: If you're preoccupied with a single leaf, you'll miss the tree; if you're preoccupied with a single tree, you'll miss the forest. And if you only see what you want or expect to see, how can you learn anything new?

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I think he was born crazy...

I think you were born crazy.

Uh...what was the point of this reply?

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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Sorry but lmao
that kid obviously has problems

No one gives a shit what trite garbage you write here.

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I think he was born crazy...

I think you were born crazy.

Uh...what was the point of this reply?

I think the point was to be an asshole

No one gives a shit what trite garbage you write here.

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[quote=crossyuuki]I think he was born crazy...

I think you were born crazy.

Uh...what was the point of this reply?

I think the point was to be an asshole
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Um... No. If I wanted to be an asshole, there'd be no one wondering if that was my intention or not. My comment was just as smart as the comment I was quoting. That's the point.

In all seriousness, my comment was smarter (my win?).

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@fr33noob: I didn't even bother replying to you, but I thought that I should let you know that I didn't (not that I just missed your comment). But now that I started, here's another point: You can't understand someone if you already have set assumptions what the person's going to say. Try reading some Bradbury or something (I don't like his books at all). Or like in that Vagabond manga: If you're preoccupied with a single leaf, you'll miss the tree; if you're preoccupied with a single tree, you'll miss the forest. And if you only see what you want or expect to see, how can you learn anything new?

Did i make assumptions or reply to you're "MISSUNDERSTANDING".
Throw me a bone will ya?
Whats with your hypocrytical act? Think about things carefully and why i said them in the first place>? "I didn't understand what you ment exzactly."
Well i think i explained myself pretty well...

Jail = punishement
Physcos go to jail but get theorapy to understant them>
Kids aren't developed enough to understand the weight of their crime, hence punishment only be bad judgement on someone not yet full. ( I mean you can sentence a kid to life in prison but can't let them watch a prono? why, because its to explicit for their age?)

Is that hard to understand my friend? Man and what has a quote from a manga got to do with me and my note? Seriously i bet you've got alot of time for sticking that 15 inch nose up your own %S Hole.

Have you got a gun?

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@fr33noob: I didn't even bother replying to you, but I thought that I should let you know that I didn't (not that I just missed your comment). But now that I started, here's another point:

wow u fail at logic so much that it goes from being funny to pathetic to funny again

u replying to someone saying that u didn't even bother to reply makes no sense because u're doing the exact thing u say u didn't do

u should've just replyed to whoever it was without trying to act smug and superior

But I do like to act smug and superior (since I can lock threads~)

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