If the kyuubi was in anyone else than Naruto, he would've died a long time ago...

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wheres the proof?
not even one of the jinchuurikis died because of the bijuu in him/her and kyuubi doesn't even have some sideeffeckts like shukaku...

but okay it's true naruto has a lot of chakra even without kyuubi but thats all...even the recovery is because of the ninetails...

of course he will always win or save the day because he's the main protagonist

it's not like I don't like the character but he's deffenetly not the strongest if you take if from the logical side and from what he can

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Kyuubi is the strongest, so you shouldn't compare it with other bijuus.. It also has more evil chakra...

Also, I'm pretty sure that Kakashi or Yamato said a comment like that.. That it's still pretty amazing to survive the kyuubi's chakra.. bcuz it bites at the skin and then it regrows again..

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yeah the kyuubi is strongen than the others, thats true

but even if they said such things(I don't remember exactly what they told him in this lecture)I can't imagine naruto being the only one to be able to survive that.because they couldn't know if he would survive when he was a baby.He is yondaimes son but that doesn't mean he is as strong

and even if he is so special it has nothing to do with his actual battle strenght...

now I came here to say something but I forgot it again,damn...I hope I remember it soon because it had something to do with the other things I stated and was rather important...

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I never claimed that Naruto was the only one that could survive that,.. Just wanted to state that he's stronger than he looks.. and is underrated by most..

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okay, so I say it one more time a bit different:Narutos battle strenght is propably the weakest from the 3 of them in shippuuden.If we don't count the kyubi.On the other hand Narutos strenght to survive the kyuubi is very high.I think we can all live with this statement,can't we?

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Well there certainly was much info in this thread now...

Way back in this thread someone mentioned that the Uchihas were more important than Naruto. The fact is that the Uchihas are extremely important. They and the Kyubi plays a huge role. I believe the fundation of Konoha and the the incident with Kyubi, when Naruto was born, conect one way or another. And something similar will happen in the future, which includes Sasuke, Sakura and, of course, Naruto. Because they are the main characters.

This is as detailed I dare to go on this subject. It's still somewhat a speculation, but there are yet too many loose factors to go deeper.

Concerning the Tobi-Obito-Madara matter, I personally root for Obito. Nothing is proven or disproven. Most likely Madara is alive. Most likely (not 100%, but 99%) Madara is Tobi. If both these are true then Madara is, most likely (lol), occupying another body. Madara is the founder of Uchiha. Considering he is a founder of a clan of unique blood he doesn't even need to be human. Just have human shape. Like the tengu theory.

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Not really... though you're right and sakura shows a great improvement in strenght and strategy, naruto has gotten stronger as well. In terms of strategy then he has improved a lot. he doesn't act as recklessly (think of the testing he made of kakuzu's strenght with the bushin) and his two years of training were more for learning how to control his power than to get new techniques. I can understand why you think she's stronger than him as her progress has been shown in detail in the anime.

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I don't really care for Yamato but they could kill Sai XD

true I forgot to write Naruto also gained some knowledge about strategy but he still can get pretty reckless when it comes to a serious fight.and he still can't really control himself,he gets even easier exited...well let's just see what role he'll play in the end

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What disapointed me about Naruto is that after 2 and a half years of training he didn't learn to cancel genjutsu and he knew he would have to fight Itachi/Sasuke. Also his new rasengan hurts him a lot. It severs chakra lines on molecular level thus he loses the ability to control chakra permanently.

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that's exactly it.ones he can something he will be...but why can't he do that yet?In his age everyone who wants to be a shinobi has a higher level and can do this basic skills.And I doubt it's all Jiraiyas fault.Naruto is just too reckles and doesn't want to learn something before he really needs it and thats his problem(even if it makes him a nice character)

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I agree with you that he'll need the key but the rest of the theory is plain weird

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than explain why would the kyuubi be in sasukes body?the demon fox isn't stupid so he won't let seal himself again as soon as he gets out and theres even no purpuse in sasuke having it within.another thing is there is no reason for the uchihas to seal the kyuubi somewhere,they want the demon(if they want him in the first place)

Shukaku enabled Gaara to use sand and he can use it now even without Shukaku.But the only thing Kyuubi gives to Naruto is a LOT of chakra.I doubt he would be able to use the fox-chakra-cloak without him.it's like gaara can no longer mutate into shukaku

and Kyuubi isn't actually messing with Narutos chakraflow,that was only when Orochimaru disturbed it but Jiraiya fixed it some episodes/chapters later so there's no problem with that.he should be able to fully control it by now since he learned the rasengan pretty fast(that's one good thing about Naruto,he learns fast,that is if he wants to learn)

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I doubt Naruto will ever lose the Kyuubi. The kyuubi is what makes him who he is. Without that infinite chakra, he can't even do his basic moves... which usually involve making 10 clones and blindly charging the enemy.

With no Kyuubi chakra he can only make like 4-5 clones and even if he does he's going to be drained. When those clones die within 15 seconds (like they always do) he'll be out of the fight. Plus Naruto is good at controlling the Kyuubi chakra. My guess is that he'll somehow learn to tame it so that pulling out tails won't damage him. Or maybe he'll learn to fuse it with his own chakra so that he doesn't have to rely on tails in order to really access it to its full potential.

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now I guess he would still have that much chakra, on the other hand it propably depends on how he looses kyuubi

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if there is someone in Naruto I never ever understimated than the Uchihas and the Kyuubi

and you do realize that this ending would be just stupid?I'm not saying it can't happen but I really hope Kishimoto has something better prepared...

besides naruto isn't saving anyone(well he thinks he is and a lot of characters think that too),Sasuke does everything on his free will and if Itachi and Tobi has a good reason I'm sure he'll understand and works with them.Or he fights them but there's still nobody to save

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