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I don't have one because I'm not making the series but I really really REALLY hope Kishimoto has something prepared that's less cliché


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I think, no I'm pretty sure of it, that at the end of the Naruto series, the nine-tails won't be in Naruto anymore..

Naruto will prove that he can fight with his own strength.. That is(or at least, in the beginning) the morale of Naruto.. That you can win your own strength, even if you are a 'dropout', and don't have to need any bloodlines.. That you can beat self-proclaimed 'geniuses' if you do your best..

Which is mostly the case with Naruto.. For example: Neji fight, Kiba fight, Gaara fight, even Kabuto fight...

Also, there has been stated, at least more than one time, than Naruto has a HUGE chakra on his own, without the nine-tails'... Kakashi even said, that Naruto's chakra was twice the amount of his, and that if he used the nine-tails' chakra that it would be 100 times as much as his..

So, even without the kyuubi, Naruto still has a lot of chakra.. Considering that Kakashi is also a great ninja.. And to have twice the amount of chakra of him, is something...

Plus, in the second part, Naruto hasn't used Kage Bunshins, without strategy even once... He's got battle wits.. Recent examples, (First he was measuring Kakuzu up, then he began to be serious..)

Kyuubi and Uchiha's do have a connection.. Period.. Kyuubi won't be sealed inside Sasuke.. That would be dumb and meaningless..

Also, about that Shuukaku enabled Gaara to use sand, that is wrong... My memory's a bit fuzzy, but Gaara can use his sand, because of his mother...

Because Gaara's mother sacrificed herself at birth for him.. You could consider that sand 'shield', as the love from his mother that 'shields' him from any danger.. If Shuukaku enabled that, then Gaara couldn't be able to do that anymore..

Btw, all bijuu's have a lot of chakra..

It could be debated if the 4th was the strongest ninja... Bcuz why wouldn't he have stopped Madara.. (if it was Madara that summoned Kyuubi then, and the 4th knew it.. bcuz Jiraiya indicated that the 4th knew something about what was going on..) Also, the 4th won't be the strongest ninja for ever.. Ultimately, Naruto will surpass his father.. bcuz that's his dream/goal..

Also, I'm not sure that the end of the Naruto series, will end with Naruto as hokage..

Maybe, just a theory, Naruto will die a heroic death protecting Konoha(like his father).. As a tribute, his face will be added to the hokages.. And at the epilogue, you'll see Konohamaru as the hokage(bcuz his grandpa was hokage, so that would fit nicely..) smiling at the statue of Naruto..

Just a theory, though..

P.S.: I'm wondering about something... I think that the two-tails jinchuuriki and fourth-tails, and maybe others, will come back in the story one way or the other... They also had interesting individual techniques, like two-tails could transform completely in to her bijuu, and the four-tails could use elemental fusions, whatever that means..

P.S.S: Cliché is something that is VERY predictable.. and that's predictable..


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@dirkbogarde
why would they posses it?there's no reason for that!and when did a REALLY important main character die?

@Dr.Love
I wonder if Kishimoto still has that goal but it would be nice.

I don't really get the Kabuto-fight.when did he fought for something?

Theres no doubt about a conection between Kyuubi and the Uchiha clan but as you said theres no meaning in sealing him again somewhere.

About Gaara:you could say Shukaku and his mother merged somehow.thus it was shukakus power to use the sand but it was the mothers will to protect gaara with it(yashamaru explained that pretty well)so it's still pretty much shukakus power which is gaara using even now.

Yondaime was somehow the strongest but I think they didn't count Madara,the Uchihas were somehow a village in a village and maybe he wasn't even a member of konoha at that time.Anyways Yondaime was of course the strongest in Konoha but possibly not the strongest in the shinobi world.

There are lots of theories thinking Naruto'll die protecting someone.His death is also quite cliché(well it's hard to think on anything new but I've heard some possibilities that sound good(and I don't mean Sasuke becoming Hokage)) but there are at least more ways of doing it so it's still better as him becoming Hokage as an happy end.maybe he'll even give up on becoming hokage,we already have a new sannin generation so maybe he's going to write perverted booksjoking

And I guess the only time we'll see the other bijuus is when pain will be doing something with them(the question is if he'll be able to since Jiraiya's now kicking ass!)


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That Naruto will die at the end is not a cliche.. You don't see any foreshadowing or hints about Naruto dieing.. plus, you don't expect it to happen..

Your theory is cliche, because.. It has been said by Naruto and practically everyone else at least once in 5 chapters.. that Naruto is going to be a Hokage.. (figure of speech, they didn't say that that much..) So, yeah, if Naruto then becomes Hokage and lives happily ever after.. Yeah, most will consider that cliche..

There is/was or never will be a strongest ninja.. Why? Because each ninja has its own individual strengths and weaknesses.. For example, Ninja A beats Ninja B and Ninja B beats Ninja C..

Everyone will assume that Ninja C is then the strongest.. But then Ninja C beats Ninja A.. Who is the strongest ninja now?.. Naruto is not like DBZ.. I do admit that there can be a greatest ninja... Who is not only very strong, but also has a great, caring personality.. And the 4th fits that description very well..

Also, all the heroes die? Sandaime, and Asuma weren't even major characters who only got more screentime because they were going to die soon.. Though, they really were heroes..

Btw, where did I contradict myself, dirkbogarde?

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When Naruto was protecting Tsunade, and fighting Kabuto.. He managed to beat him without using the kyuubi's chakra..

Also, about the sand thing, you could be right.. I don't remember it well..

Yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous to think that Yondaime would be the strongest ninja in the world.. There would be someone who he was weak against..

And yeah, maybe Naruto will become a hermit like Jiraiya.. And then at the epilogue, he already matured somewhat, then he sees a little boy who says he wants to be the hokage.. The boy reminds him of himself.. and then Naruto smiles.. (Wow, that was corny.. 😀 )


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oh I see!I missunderstood the fights a bit!

If you take clichés as for being hinted that narutos death isn't hinted at all...

well with the hermit part there would be a "it never ends" thingie XD


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No, that's not how I see cliches.. >.>

I just wanted to explain it easily, so that dirkbogarde understands me.. 😛

After all, cliche is a wide word..

But Naruto's death isn't that cliche, no? At least, I never though that..


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oh,okay

no it's not,not in Naruto.it's just there are some series that end like that(well no shonen)


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Shoujou?

Well, I haven't read that much manga were the main protagonist died..

Only Death Note and Basilisk.. So, that's why I don't find it cliche..

The idea is still fresh/new for me.. 😃

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Jeez, I don't mind that Naruto would be the Hokage THAT much.. Take it easy.. But it would be nice if Kishi gave some twist to it..


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I don't think he'd be able to keep all of that Chakra. The manga/anime hints that he seems to be able to tap into way more Chakra than everyone else. Numerous times in the show he's been in a battle and used up all of his chakra while the enemy is still standing strong, only to be saved by the Kyuubi chakra. I believe it happened on the Zabuza fight at the bridge and I know for sure it happened when he fought Neji, Gaara, Sasuke...

When the old hokage (I forget his number... but the old man who died against Orochimaru) fought Orochimaru, someone asked why he didn't use Shadow clones when Orochi summoned the two hokages. An anbu member said that if he did, he'd use up so much chakra that he'd basically guarentee a loss. When Kakashi trained Naruto (when they went in the woods with clones and played rock paper scissors), Kakashi had to sit down for a little while after making only one clone. He said that shadow clones take up massive chakra and for most ninjas they can't make alot of them.

Now, I can't believe that Anbu members and hokages have less chakra than your typical 12 year old. But Naruto isn't your typical 12 year old. He's got a neaer infinite source of chakra he can tap into. Every regular person has a limit (Even Itachi was pretty knocked out after using his M Sharingan on kakashi). If naruto loses the kyuubi (who is the source of his infinite chakra) I don't think he'll be anywhere near as good as he is now. All of his training and ability focuses on the fact that he does have this infinite chakra that he can tap into. In a way, its the basis of his whole fighting style. Without that, its like he would have to be retrained to operate under real world chakra limitations.

That would radically change how Naruto is and thats what makes me doubt that he'll ever lose it. Plus, he can tap into it without it damaging himself. Its only when he goes into 3 tails that it starts to damage his body. This is what I think will eventually happen... pure speculation of course.

Sasuke has already tapped into naruto's mind and seen the Kyuubi. And the Kyuubi seems to dislike Sharringan users which makes me think he was defeated by one or couldn't beat one some time in the past. I've also seen Sasuke use his powers to tame "inner demons". That guy that Orochi's curse seal was based off of was about to go insane once but Sasuke used his sharringan on him and it seemed to make his madness go away. I think that sometime in the future, Sasuke will help Naruto to control the Kyuubi. I'm not 100% sure how, but I think that he'll do something with his Sharringan that will allow Naruto greater access without sustaining damage.


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@Yami

I don't think he'd be able to keep all of that Chakra. The manga/anime hints that he seems to be able to tap into way more Chakra than everyone else. Numerous times in the show he's been in a battle and used up all of his chakra while the enemy is still standing strong, only to be saved by the Kyuubi chakra. I believe it happened on the Zabuza fight at the bridge and I know for sure it happened when he fought Neji, Gaara, Sasuke.
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he didnt actually run out of chakra but lost the ability to or lost control in each situation, neji sealed him off, so he used fox chakra to overpower the gnetle fist ability. when he fought gaara he snapped because of sakura and sasuke being slapped around and against sasuke he completely lost it there. And against Haku during the first arc he got pissed there the first time as well.


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That would radically change how Naruto is and thats what makes me doubt that he'll ever lose it. Plus, he can tap into it without it damaging himself. Its only when he goes into 3 tails that it starts to damage his body. This is what I think will eventually happen... pure speculation of course.

The Kyuubi chakra will start damaging naruto even when its just one tail just a bit slower...like the time he fought sasuke his left arm became unusable and was sort of being burned burned by the chakkra


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@Yami

I don't think he'd be able to keep all of that Chakra. The manga/anime hints that he seems to be able to tap into way more Chakra than everyone else. Numerous times in the show he's been in a battle and used up all of his chakra while the enemy is still standing strong, only to be saved by the Kyuubi chakra. I believe it happened on the Zabuza fight at the bridge and I know for sure it happened when he fought Neji, Gaara, Sasuke...

When the old hokage (I forget his number... but the old man who died against Orochimaru) fought Orochimaru, someone asked why he didn't use Shadow clones when Orochi summoned the two hokages. An anbu member said that if he did, he'd use up so much chakra that he'd basically guarentee a loss. When Kakashi trained Naruto (when they went in the woods with clones and played rock paper scissors), Kakashi had to sit down for a little while after making only one clone. He said that shadow clones take up massive chakra and for most ninjas they can't make alot of them.

Now, I can't believe that Anbu members and hokages have less chakra than your typical 12 year old.

I don't remember in what exact chapter (but before Pain arc), somebody Kakashi/Jiraya mentioned to Naruto that he has his own huge supply of chakra. Its basically his own power/special ability. The reason he can't use it is because of the 4th Hokage seal, which basically uses 90% of Naruto's chakra to create that prison which holds Nine Tail Fox (as seen in Naruto mind). Thats why Naruto is forced on using Nine Tail's chakra .
4th Hokage was well aware of Naruto's huge amount of Chakra and that was one of the reasons he used Naruto as seal. (besides giving his son a huge advantage in power)
Also, if you didn't notice but Naruto can create dozens if not hundreds of shadow clones by himself using his own chakra not nine-tails. He usually does it in beginning of fight - like with Neji and Gaara. When he actually taps into 9-tail chakra (his eyes become slitters and he has shadow of whiskers on his cheeks) he can create thousands of shadow clones. So even with 10% of chakra he has more than Kakashi, Itachi, Sakura, and probably even Sasuke (in terms of pure chakra not ability)


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The reason he can't use it is because of the 4th Hokage seal, which basically uses 90% of Naruto's chakra to create that prison which holds Nine Tail Fox (as seen in Naruto mind). Thats why Naruto is forced on using Nine Tail's chakra .

Where has that been said.. 😕

10% is a little bit exaggerated, but it is true that Naruto has twice the amount of chakra as Kakashi.. And considering that the Sharingan consumes a lot of chakra, and especially with Kakashi since he isn't an Uchiha.. That means that Naruto his own chakra is humongous for his age..

Kakashi can have his Sharingan activated for like a day or so, then he's out of chakra.. Which means that he has a lot of chakra.. And then imagine that Naruto has at least double of that... Then you'll have an idea of Naruto's own chakra..

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The kyuubi chakra came mainly to save him when he was still inexperienced, but now he knows better... Especially since he hurt Sakura once, and doesn't want to do it again, and hurt someone else.. He even blatantly refused the offer to use the kyuubi's power from the kyuubi himself..

So, he's determined to not use the kyuubi anymore... Note that at the recent fight of Naruto, with Kakuzu, that he didn't even use the kyuubi's chakra once.. Also note, that Naruto is searching for Sasuke with a lot of kagebunshins, but he isn't even a bit tired...

The 3rd hokage was old, and his chakra supply wasn't as it used to be... You can compare chakra supply to stamina.. because that's actually what it is.. And everyone knows that when you're an old man, you're stamina isn't what it used to be.. The anbu said that the 3rd already had enough trouble with conserving his chakra.. If he did a kage bunshin on top of it, he would immediately lose.. That's what he meant..

But if the 3rd was in his thirties, he would have definitely done a kage bunshin.. I do agree that Kagebunshin is a chakra-consuming technique..

Also, Itachi was pretty knocked out, because he used MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN, which puts a lot of strain on the user.. Just like the Eight Gates of Rock Lee and Gai.. Itachi has almost always his Sharingan activated and he doesn't even get tired...

If Naruto loses the kyuubi, he won't be weaker.. Since the kyuubi wasn't a part of Naruto to begin with.. Kyuubi is a weapon.. Just like a gun.. It's an advantage...

I do find it an interesting theory that Sasuke will somehow be able to let Naruto control the kyuubi more efficiently and better.. But what would be the point?

Since Naruto doesn't want to use the kyuubi anymore.. Plus, it has been hinted and suggested at, even blatantly said by Yamato, that he should rely on his own power and not the kyuubi's..

Also, Sasuke didn't 'tame' Juugo.. He just did a genjutsu on him, to calm him down..

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I completely agree with you...

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I can't seem to remember that.. 😕 That Naruto burned his hand...


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I can't seem to remember that.. 😕 That Naruto burned his hand...

not actually burned but...just watch the ep where Naruto and Sasuke fought in the valley of the end; the scene before they used their final Chidori and Rasengan against each other then Sasuke leaves


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