So......If there is a Deity who created the universe how can one prove the deity exists and/or what created the Deity....If Evolution is the truth where did the matter and/or the initial cause of the Universe come from and how does it side step or supersede the 2nd Thermodynamic Law dealing with a systems state of Entropy....If neither of these what do you think created/formed the Universe?

I have a lot of opinions about that, but I don't know which I should take.. 🤣 If I said them all, it would be too long..

Though, from a scientifical viewpoint, I don't think a Deity has created the universe...

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I have a lot of opinions about that, but I don't know which I should take.. 🤣 If I said them all, it would be too long..

Though, from a scientifical viewpoint, I don't think a Deity has created the universe...

From a Scientific standpoint and according to the current "Laws" the universe could not have formed itself....Why would someone from a scientific standpoint think that a deity could not have created the universe?

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From a Scientific standpoint and according to the current "Laws" the universe could not have formed itself....Why would someone from a scientific standpoint think that a deity could not have created the universe?

Because science is based on facts.. >.> As long as they don't have any proof of a Deity, they won't believe that possibility..

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dont we have the god thread with its many, MANY pages to discuss this issue?

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dont we have the god thread with its many, MANY pages to discuss this issue?

This thread is about how the universe was made.. But we kind of got off topic there.. 🤣

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Lol.....Science is not based off of fact.....Once a upon a time it was based of off "empirical" evidence, however, most science now is based off of hypothetical ideas that are not proved. personally I believe that both Science and Deity are based off the same thing in the end. What I find funny is people who think that a Deity created the universe has proof and also what I find just as funny is the fact that most Science if based off of the a similar premise that they have just as much proof. However, in the end both are stuck with the same problem..Where did it begin? For the Scientist where did the matter come from, how did it form into complex forms without any real intervention....For the Believer in Deity, where did the deity come from, how was it formed...etc...etc...Where are the facts that point either way....

Science is based on facts.. But from there on out, they form hypothetical ideas..

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That is the thought and ideal behind science but it was left quite a long time ago. During the days of Newton, Locke, and Boyle, it was based off of actual facts. Then laws were made concerning those. Now we have "scientist" such as Einstein and Hawking who are simple theorists who continue to "blaze" a trail for Science while leaving unanswered questions. What I look forward to from science is what they can take those theories and show either how they(the theories) are either right or wrong. However, there is quite a difference in Science now and Science as it once was. I remember being taught Evolution based Science as if it were a fact, just as at church I was told that God existed. But in the end Evolution is just another unproved theory, the theory of relativity is just an unproved theory, if it was proven it would be the Law of Relativity. Science sadly continues to stray from what it once was. It is no longer truly based on Facts and evidence rather it is just theory based on theory. And when a theory is disproved or shown unreliable it is taught and not discredited or revised. All our scientific community consists of is people and groups who have a isogetical mindset who continue to put what they have as theories that are taught as fact.

Well everyone is saying that based on science you can't really prove that there is such thing is a Deity, but then no one mentions that there is no proof of evolution either, there are not only big gaps in the fossil records, but there is also the problem of irreducible complexity (multicellular structures which can not be simplified in any way and still function), and a host of other problems with the theory. Now people who believe in scientific FACT (things that have been proven) alone then they cannot believe in evolution.

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That is the thought and ideal behind science but it was left quite a long time ago. During the days of Newton, Locke, and Boyle, it was based off of actual facts. Then laws were made concerning those. Now we have "scientist" such as Einstein and Hawking who are simple theorists who continue to "blaze" a trail for Science while leaving unanswered questions. What I look forward to from science is what they can take those theories and show either how they(the theories) are either right or wrong. However, there is quite a difference in Science now and Science as it once was. I remember being taught Evolution based Science as if it were a fact, just as at church I was told that God existed. But in the end Evolution is just another unproved theory, the theory of relativity is just an unproved theory, if it was proven it would be the Law of Relativity. Science sadly continues to stray from what it once was. It is no longer truly based on Facts and evidence rather it is just theory based on theory. And when a theory is disproved or shown unreliable it is taught and not discredited or revised. All our scientific community consists of is people and groups who have a isogetical mindset who continue to put what they have as theories that are taught as fact.

JohnGalt, dear, evolution is easily proved nowdays since we have records from earlier years. from the fact that we know how cave ppl looked like from cave paintings through language and speech developement over the years and to small changes seen in human beings (like the fact that we live longer, males r getting taller, females have their period sooner and humanity able to accept things that were not acceptable before) evolution does exist.

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small changes seen in human beings (like the fact that we live longer, males r getting taller, females have their period sooner and humanity able to accept things that were not acceptable before) evolution does exist.

Most of those changes can be attributed either to modern medicine, or nuclear pollution from the two bombs that were dropped in WWII.

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small changes seen in human beings (like the fact that we live longer, males r getting taller, females have their period sooner and humanity able to accept things that were not acceptable before) evolution does exist.

Most of those changes can be attributed either to modern medicine, or nuclear pollution from the two bomb that were dropped in WWII.

i call that evolution.

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small changes seen in human beings (like the fact that we live longer, males r getting taller, females have their period sooner and humanity able to accept things that were not acceptable before) evolution does exist.

Most of those changes can be attributed either to modern medicine, or nuclear pollution from the two bomb that were dropped in WWII.

i call that evolution.

then how do you explain evolution in a time when there was no nuclear pollution or modern medicine