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Chemical engineering y'all.... and this is as much a philosophical question as it is a scientific question. How did it all get started... Those who emphasize science will say the big bang theory. And where do we find evidence of the big bang? The doppler effect provides 'evidence that the universe is expanding.' But in order to say something is expanding, one must know the origin of expansion and the boundaries of the expanding mass. The theory states that the universe has no center and no end. And the doppler effect only shows that something is moving. Therefore, the universe can be collapsing, expanding, cycling, or moving in a non uniform, random manner.

How did the big bang 'ignite'? The theory states that massive quantities of matter collapsed in on itself and the resulting magnificent explosion of energy and matter called the universe. But wait...where did it all come from? the law of conservation of matter says that matter cannot be created nor destroyed. and the 0th law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

how the f### did it all start?

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Ahoaho......that was beautiful, and the whole purpose of the question. Fantastic....
So could you tell the question came from a bored individual working on a Philosophy paper for their Doctorate

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Chemical engineering y'all.... and this is as much a philosophical question as it is a scientific question. How did it all get started... Those who emphasize science will say the big bang theory. And where do we find evidence of the big bang? The doppler effect provides 'evidence that the universe is expanding.' But in order to say something is expanding, one must know the origin of expansion and the boundaries of the expanding mass. The theory states that the universe has no center and no end. And the doppler effect only shows that something is moving. Therefore, the universe can be collapsing, expanding, cycling, or moving in a non uniform, random manner.

How did the big bang 'ignite'? The theory states that massive quantities of matter collapsed in on itself and the resulting magnificent explosion of energy and matter called the universe. But wait...where did it all come from? the law of conservation of matter says that matter cannot be created nor destroyed. and the 0th law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

how the f### did it all start?

I think you are sort of neglecting a lot here. Amoung the more obvious being that conservation of matter isn't absolute ( E=mcc ), that the doppler Effect indicates the speed that an object is moving away or toward us, and the universe will have problems moving in a non uniform random matter, since it schould behave according to Einsteins theory of Space and Time.
Not saying i know what started things, what exactly happend, and so on.

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I think you are sort of neglecting a lot here. Among the more obvious being that conservation of matter isn't absolute ( E=mcc ), that the Doppler Effect indicates the speed that an object is moving away or toward us, and the universe will have problems moving in a non uniform random matter, since it should behave according to Einsteins theory of Space and Time.
Not saying i know what started things, what exactly happened, and so on.

Don't really have an issue with most of what you said bully_jesus, but Einstein's Theory of Space and Time is just that....a theory and as such, is just something that can be referenced and not truly counted on. It is not a "law" that was proven and should be referenced more so as the Theory it is rather then the law that many have believed it has become without any adequate proof. Essentially, if one believes that that universe behaves according to Einstein's theory, then it becomes applicable. Belief and acceptance of the theory itself are required.

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I think you are sort of neglecting a lot here. Among the more obvious being that conservation of matter isn't absolute ( E=mcc ), that the Doppler Effect indicates the speed that an object is moving away or toward us, and the universe will have problems moving in a non uniform random matter, since it should behave according to Einsteins theory of Space and Time.
Not saying i know what started things, what exactly happened, and so on.

Don't really have an issue with most of what you said bully_jesus, but Einstein's Theory of Space and Time is just that....a theory and as such, is just something that can be referenced and not truly counted on. It is not a "law" that was proven and should be referenced more so as the Theory it is rather then the law that many have believed it has become without any adequate proof. Essentially, if one believes that that universe behaves according to Einstein's theory, then it becomes applicable. Belief and acceptance of the theory itself are required.

Somehow...I think I know where this could lead to >_> Actually...drama_sage said the same thing!(oh noes! It's the drama~sage saga all over again! 🤣 )

The answer is pretty easy. Although I may sound ignorant by saying this, but it really is, god. I can assure you, even in a hundred years, Man will not be able to find the answer to the questions that is "how was the universe created?".

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Don't really have an issue with most of what you said bully_jesus, but Einstein's Theory of Space and Time is just that....a theory and as such, is just something that can be referenced and not truly counted on.

I wouldn't call it only a theory. It is a theory that works very well. For example, the Movement of the Planets can be calculated very well by using Einsteins theory. And other things as well, for example how light is bended by Gravitation, how Time changes when accelerated,.... (these examples have been measured) And many other effects. So his Theory is supported by a lot of evidence.

            By the same logic of dismissing Einsteins theory you can dismiss a lot. For example, just because we have gravity here doesn't mean that it works in China. Or we do not know if the sun will go up tomorrow.   

          Einsteins theory wasn't something that was invented 90 years ago and has been sitting on a shelf to be admired and discussed. It has been apllied many many many many times and proven itself to work pretty god damm well. It is used to calculate the Satalite trajectories that we use to watch television. And people have been trying to tear it down left and right. Even more precise ways to measure the speed of light are developed to see if it maybe isn't as stable as assumed, people search for faster than speed particles,...

My Point is this: Einsteins theory is just as much a theory as is the theory of gravity, the theory of magnetism, the theory of Energy.
If you trust a magnet, you might think about trusting relativity.

Bully, you are right by the same logic that I have used a lot can be re-evaluated...but in your retort there are serious mis-applications of the logic that was used. The mis-step was that of using an example such as China or the Sun....because neither of those fully apply to what I had been speaking about. I did not call into question the actual universe or space and time(China or Sun), rather I called into question the actual theory that was used concerning space and time. Just because it has worked in multiple instances does not prove that it will work in instances that we have not been able to fully explore. There very well could be even more factors in those instances that could displace that theory and force it to be applied in a smaller dimension than what it was originally made. Remembering that these theories were made simply to stand on and that they have fallibility is why they remain theories. That is what was being stated, that is why it is your choice to believe a theory and apply it. Theory should not be taken as law, and should not be taught as law. Remember a great man once stated "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.", he followed a similar logic as what I have stated here.

My example with China perfectly fits your example. Laws that work for us ( in not China ) may not work there, because: "There very well could be even more factors in those instances that could displace that theory and force it to be applied in a smaller dimension than what it was originally made."

           If it makes it seem less stupid we can replace China with the Moon, where few people have been, and i am pretty sure neither me and you haven't been.

If two objects collide on the dark side of the moon, what happens? Will they pass through each other? Will they dissapear? Or will they collide in the same old way they would here?

If we each run each other through with swords on venus will we die? Or does manga Biology apply there and as long as we believe in something we can always get up again?

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All complex life is made of cells... so we can consider our selves and the the life the planet, the solar system all cells of god if you like... viewing our selves as small parts of the universe...

on the other other hand if you view our perspective of reality, and (size?) and look at the smaller picture everything is just dust floating in the void... some particles closly gather to give the illusion of larger apperance where particles are more dense...

so my thoughts of evolution of creation is...

at the moment it cant be proven either way and most likely we will all die with out knowing...

so either cling to religion or science its all a matter of faith in the unprovable... at least untill god appears to smit us or the greys show up to say... "oh shit!!!" turns to semi retared cross eyed crew mate "you couldnt hold it in and now look..."

... Evolution, God's hand Who cares? the fact is that we are here. Even if later we find proves that god's made evolution as the easiest way to " play" with us it will not stop the questions Nor will we try to negate the answer when it comes. What if the matter we are made came from experiments of antimatter beings? 😛 well we could call them GOD.

In the end knowing what made us or how we are made will never change what we think about US are the "Gods" of the universe.

PD. we didnt came from apes... but from a common root. What science thinks is that they have evolved just like us.