I just can't stand this "Naruto problematic" anymore and even if you are tired of it i really have to speak up and give my opinion.
You people or most of you just don't get it. Sometimes it makes me think if there's at least 10% of tasteful or intelligent people in the manga/anime community (maybe i exaggerated a little but in this case it is necessary).
Giving ratings of 4, 3, 2, 1 and stating that "it's childish", "the story goes nowhere", "has too many plotholes", "gets slow/boring after awhile", "the artwork is bad/sux" without even giving justifications or coerent ones. That's meaningless and rude, at least for me (WHEN U DO IT DISSING THE SERIES WITHOUT PROPER JUSTIFICATIONS like i stated above (in the ratings page you find millions of these and that's what makes me angry...lol), if u give your point of view coerently (good or bad) then let's talk)). I didn't list all of the satements given and different ones than Daedalus* so i won't go on forever and appeal more to people.
(*I respect him despite his, maybe, too aggressive standout point of view).
With this i'm not tryin' to say those people are "stupid", i'm sayin' they may be less intelligent or rude with some kind of actions they take towards Naruto and that our tastes towards Naruto diverges greatly.

Those are my opinions over this title/subject:

1. "It's too childish". This makes me wonder if maybe, just maybe aren't u the childish one and couldn't think that an anime/manga as good as this one may give both a more immature appeal as well as another more mature one within (this one not for everyone, only for those who can reach it). This is done in order to attract both the overexcited fanboys who get attracted with another manga/anime as long as it's shonen and on the oder side the more mature (not synonym of old) or intelligent audience who likes it for its whole being it the immature side or the fantastic world of joy, sadness, ambition, friendship, love, trust, betrayal, revenge..portrayed beautifully in Naruto. (Btw, the second part has a much more mature appeal to it than the first one which i like very much not changing the fact that the first one was still very good).
   This all said only to respond to those who say it is childish. (Btw i'm 17).

2."The story goes nowhere". In reality you are the one who isn't going nowhere as you can´t get/enjoy the story. Just to give a simple explanation, the story could be said to be everyday life itself (in an alternative-fantasy-like-ninja-world of course) revolving around one central character Naruto, who of course will not be perfect as some people complain as this is a shonen manga. But, of course it's not like there's no intrigue, something to look forward to, there's plenty: Naruto aiming to become Hokage, the "all Sasuke saga" who aims to kill his brother and avenge his clan and introduced later there's the Akatsuki who clash with both of them. Notice that i only stated 3 aspects but as you read the manga/watch the anime (fillers out) u will feel that it has everything you could want from a shonen manga in only those 3 aspects which are far from being all of them (i won't list them all for the reasons stated in the beginning).
With this i think i responded to those who say it goes nowhere/has no story.

3."It has too many ploholes". This is one of the few plausible comments as there's no, but i mean no manga/anime without plotholes (and you don't have to see all of them to know that), mainly in shonen cases, so if you wanna complain about that do it about every single manga/anime existent in this site. You could say there's those with more plotholes and those with less plotholes, as for Naruto it/s somewhere between the two but it doesn't take any credit from the series at all. (Character development and plothole filling is partially and beautifully done by interesting flashbacks).

4. "Gets slower/boring after awhile/in the second part". Generic order of any manga/anime is that as the story progresses it will get slower at one point, being it or not the case of Naruto which i think it's not, you are free to think whatever you want. But the main case is that people will tend to say "the second part is too slow" as they don't understand/get/enjoy/ the story for what it is and as result will get bored, being it either kids or grown up mans.(Note that i stated "generic order", it does'nt happen in all of them).

5.As for the final argument for those who say the artwork is "bad/sux", well... i myself didn't really wanted to answer this as it's not the primar factor that gets me to read a determined manga, watch a determined anime (aside from eye-cande like Bleach which nonethless is still a decent/good manga/anime). But, still i say that Naruto's art is not that bad as some people say, it's in fact quite good.

This is my opinion and my response to what those people say about this ingenious work/masterpiece but surely not flawless manga/anime as i believe there's no perfect masterpice, so i give it a 9/10.
This in the shonen genre as i don't want to compare this with Basilisk, Berserk, Monster..other kind of very good titles but from other genres.

Btw, my favorite character is Nara Shikamaru, lol.

P.S: For those who give Naruto 4, 3, 2, 1 ratings and for example 10 to Bleach (which i somehow can understand despite the great overrate) and to One Piece (which i really can't understand) i say or you still have a lot to learn or as a matter of tastes (which like some people say, can't be discussed) we are going in totally different directions, and i'm sure i'm going in the right direction. Don't take it personally as this review is not directly meant to change people's opinions or insult them but to express my point of view about Naruto and to criticize people who take certain "stupid" actions.

• If you post back please refrain from the "Naruto is awesome!!!/Naruto sux!!!" kind of comment/spam and we'll talk.

• Stay well...

-I UPDATED this post as some people were misunderstanding part of my ideia. I'm not calling people "stupid" or "dumb" but calling some of their actions "stupid" and "dumb".

Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...

Your bound to get a few responses for this post, maybe

but response- I like naruto, it's been a great series, espicially pre-time skip. The art's good, the fight's were interesting and creative, and the characters were all really individual(go temari) except tenten 🤣

It's just lost some magic for me since the time skip with the battles and the focus on certain characters. In the chuunin arc they introduced a solid 15 characters that each got some small lime light for atleast a few chapters and were brilliant. The tournament, everybody fighting the sound 5, haku and the whole bridge thing. But now in they only pop up everynow and again for a few panels.
And the battles have gone from their huge creative conclusions to bigger demon foxes and rasengans. Post-time skip's shikamaru and sakura's battles were sharp, but the rest lost the flare for me. What ever happened to the good ole' fashioned using Buushins to distract the guy while you turned into the second of two shuriken to attack past a water clone and take out a guy's arm? Plently more like that too.

anyway, hopes this doesnt turn into a flamefest

I read about 15 chapters of the manga, and didn't like the story. I rated it a 6.
A better alternative (IMO) would be an action like Heaven's Prison

You seem to be confusing expressing your opinion and trying to influence others.

Ok, i respect your opinion...

The thing is that the chuunin arc was made in order to fire up and unfold the story, being that time has passed, the story has to move forward right..And in order for it to do so it will have to move to more central characters like Naruto, Sasuke, Akatsuki...And some people may find it boring which is not my case. And about the battles i don't think they're boring at all...there is Sasori against Sakura and Chyo; Deidara against Kakashi and Naruto; Shikamaru and Asuma against Hydan and Kakuzu; Naruto against Kakuzu, Sasuke against Orochimaru, the new Sauke/Deidara fight..and much more..does all of that makes it boring or at least more boring than the first part like some people say, i don't think so, for me it has matured and evolved with that (Shikamaru is one of the cases i most admire)..
But your opinion is your opinion, i'm not tryin to change it like i said it's just that i think that it's not quite like that and i'm tryin to show it...

Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...

Although you drop hints left right and centre that you are intelligent >_> i doubt it... Naruto although i like it I know it doesn't come close to some of the great mangas.. You need to widen your horizons i guess.. p.s. giving it a 1 or 2 or is a bit harsh.. oh andif you want to talk popular manga one piece is the best Naruto gets owned.

... Um... Isn't this all opinion-based? ._. Some people don't like Naruto for their own reasons. I don't see how this makes them "wrong," even if their opinion doesn't agree with yours. Even so, it's interesting to read your responses to common reasons for people to not like the series. (You seem to acknowledge this fact [about this being your opinion], but in your spiel you look down on people who don't agree with you as being "stupid." Kinda sends a mixed message.)

But I can see why such statements might get annoying to fans, especially the "it's too childish" one. Some people don't really get far enough in the series for the angst to hit them full-force, so their impression is that it's immature.

Personally, I can understand why people dislike the art of Naruto. In the beginning it has a sketchy quality, which kind of put me off the series (I still read it, though), since action scenes were a bit confusing. However, the art gets much better as the series progresses. The plot itself is a bit lacking, since there's no actual plot throughout the entire series; it morphs as issues emerge. But, honestly, that doesn't affect me all that much. As for "immaturity," I think Naruto does hit on some mature-ish issues, normally attributing them to flashbacks and general angst (yay for angst). Fighting-sequence-wise, I've always enjoyed them. Instead of having fights all based upon strength alone, strategy/tactics (I can never remember which is pre-fight and which is during-fight...) are also implemented by many characters (Shikamaru and Naruto especially).

My only real problem with the series is Naruto's lack of improvement. It's absolutely ridiculous. You'd think that he'd at least learn one new jutsu after training with Jiraiya over those three years, but nooooo. How is Naruto supposed to face Sasuke if he only can use the Rasengan and his Kage Bunshin? Also, the series is starting to head into Dragonball Z domain, in which everyone just keeps getting stronger with no end in sight. I just hope that strategy returns as a major factor in battles to keep the series original.

And even though I like the series, I would never call it a "masterpiece." Sure, it's good and all, but it's not THAT original. I think I gave it a nine when I rated the manga here.

Note: This is basically a re-hash (and a bad one at that) of my review of Naruto. I'm pretty sure it's still on the first page of the Naruto comments, if anyone'd rather read that than the paragraphs above.

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I read about 15 chapters of the manga, and didn't like the story. I rated it a 6.
A better alternative (IMO) would be an action like Heaven's Prison

You seem to be confusing expressing your opinion and trying to influence others.

No..you are the one who seems to be confused... as i said before i'm only expression my opinion which indirectly may influence or not other people by discussin' it..

And please if you wanna give better titles than Naruto do it using genuine shounen titles... like i stated before i'm not sayin' Naruto is the best manga of the world, but it is a very good work inside the shounen genre if not its best...

Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...

Ok let's break this down. If you want a plausible opinion/review, then here it is.

Naruto up till the pre-time skip was a fairly decent Shonen manga, it had it's ups and downs. The Art though bland in a few minor cases, was still good and some what refreshing. The plot moved along at a good pace, there was plenty of action and of course blood. There were also some comedic moments and that was the extent of it. Pre-Time Skip.

Now with Post-Time Skip, everything is going to hell. In the beginning it seemed that the manga would keep the momentum it had built up and would then use it to keep everything tightly knit and keep the plot intact. But now it's a bunch of crap, and do mark my words. Naruto manga is a bunch of crap. It's no longer an ingenious work.

The reasons are as follows;

Balance, there is absolutely no sense of it. After the Gaara rescue arc and then finding Sasuke a second time arc. Everything and I do mean everything, fell apart. Kishimoto has taken a liking to unrealistically overpower his antagonists and unrealistically underpower his protagonist.

Prime example would be Sasuke's capability vs. Naruto's capability as of chapter 361. It seems that Sasuke has already surpassed Orochimaru in skill, and now he's well on his way on taking out Deidra. Now if we look at that from a technical standpoint.

Sasuke is capable of taking out two, and I repeat, two S-class Shinobi. While Naruto is incapable of beating Kakashi, who through rank, skill and experience is one, and I once again repeat, one S-class Shinobi. There is FAR too big of a power difference between the two Shinobi. Obviously Sasuke get's to cheat because of the Sharingan, but still. TOO big of a difference.

Character development; Naruto especially. Pre-Time Skip he was an emotional sap, but he had a sense of control. Now post-Time Skip, he's fucking EMO. Nearly every time his temper sparks more than it should, his eyes turn red and slitted. It's true that the seal is weakening, but despite that. Naruto has FAR less control of his emotions making him a much more of a liability than ever before.

Lastly; Capabilities. Sasuke has developed an immense skill in using a Katana, he took down Yamato as if he were a Genin. He has modified the Chidori several different times to make him near unstoppable.

Naruto, Kishimoto gave him the ability to create a new, better, much more deadlier version of the Rasengan. Unfortunately in doing that, he also made it so that. The technique would do more damage to Naruto in the long run than it would to the person the technique was used on. I mean seriously, what the fuck? Why the hell would a character invent a Do-or-Die technique?

Unless of course, the goal of the manga Naruto is for Naruto to die in the end. If that's how the story ends, then and then only I will call it an ingenious piece of work. If he fails to die or some other significant event occurs along the lines similar to death, then it is by far a huge disappointment, and in short. A piece of crap.

There you have a perfectly plausible and backed up by facts as per manga up to 361, opinion/review. Which whole heartedly disagrees with your opinion of Naruto being a ingenious piece of work.

-Shad

@ShadwsofArchonia

I think that review deserves applause. Seriously.

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Although you drop hints left right and centre that you are intelligent >_> i doubt it... Naruto although i like it I know it doesn't come close to some of the great mangas.. You need to widen your horizons i guess.. p.s. giving it a 1 or 2 or is a bit harsh.. oh andif you want to talk popular manga one piece is the best Naruto gets owned.

You're being quite ironic and rude there and that's stupid...But no, Naruto is not the only thing i read, i read titles from seinen to shoujo so my horizons are quite wide... but as i said before for me Naruto is the best title inside the SHOUNEN genre outcasting the One Piece many people like so much...Regarding OP i think it is an average-at-best-show, giving it credit for its comedy moments which makes it somewhat funny, but nothing more than that. But as a matter of fact there's a lot of funnier shows out there likie GTO(manga/anime), School Rumble(manga/anime), FMP Fummoffu(anime), Today in Class 2-5(manga/anime)...Bleach also has its moments(Gon)...Just to mention a few. All in all my point is OP is no way better than Naruto and there are shows out there which completely outcast OP at what it is best.

But then again, this is my opinion and yours may be different.

Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...

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@ShadwsofArchonia

I think that review deserves applause. Seriously.

Thanks.

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... Um... Isn't this all opinion-based? ._. Some people don't like Naruto for their own reasons. I don't see how this makes them "wrong," even if their opinion doesn't agree with yours. Even so, it's interesting to read your responses to common reasons for people to not like the series. (You seem to acknowledge this fact [about this being your opinion], but in your spiel you look down on people who don't agree with you as being "stupid." Kinda sends a mixed message.).

Okay i admit maybe i was a little rude but i'm not tryin to say pepole are "stupid", i'm just sayin' that the people who make those kind of comment don't deserve to be called intelligent and plausible people in manga/anime community.

And about Naruto's lack of improvement, it's not quite like that, he did got better, even being recognized by Kakashi to have surpassed him. It's just that it's not Naruto's personality to be a fast learner and master of wise-like jutsus like Sasuke for example.

And i don't know if u noticed but my notion of masterpiece is not a flawless work.

Some people may say u'r going in the wrong way when in fact u'r just going ur own way...

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Okay i admit maybe i was a little rude but i'm not tryin to say pepole are "stupid", i'm just sayin' that the people who make those kind of comment don't deserve to be called intelligent and plausible people in manga/anime community.

Isn't that the same thing, though?

I don't know many people who would read an entire series that they don't like. However, this seems to be the only way that fans might be placated. Otherwise, fans will say things like "Oh, well, that's fixed in chapter 286!" or "You just didn't read far enough." People who don't like the first volume of a manga shouldn't be forced to read through the entire series just so that they are "respected" in the anime/manga community. If they can do this, then I think they should be considered saints, since I know that I wouldn't be able to do it. If you don't like something, you don't like it. It's doubtful that that original opinion will change just because you've read the entire series.

And I don't think that someone's negative opinion of one manga should dictate their "rank" in the manga community. For all we know, someone could hate Naruto but post an incredibly-detailed, positive review on a different series. Does that mean that their other opinion doesn't deserve to be respected just because they didn't like one series?

I agree that people who say "Oh, it sucks" and leave aren't contributing much (even though the same thing can be said about those who just say "Oh, it was sooooo awesome!!!!1!!"). I agree that people should give examples to back up their reasons to dislike or like a series. But I don't agree that one review or comment on a series should decide how others see them; instead, it should be based upon all of their comments/reviews of manga series.

/rant

And about Naruto's lack of improvement, it's not quite like that, he did got better, even being recognized by Kakashi to have surpassed him. It's just that it's not Naruto's personality to be a fast learner and master of wise-like jutsus like Sasuke for example.

I think ShadwsofArchonia stated my opinion of Naruto's progress the best. Naruto was RECOGNISED by Kakashi, but he did not defeat him (even with Sakura's help). (Yes, he tricked him into losing, but in an actual situation in which you know little about the enemy's powers or personality, that wouldn't've cut it.) Naruto has learned no new, useful jutsus since the time-skip (yes, he got his "ultimate jutsu," but that's a double-edged sword and therefore doesn't count as a "useful" jutsu to me). Sasuke, on the other hand, is holding off (if not defeating) Akatsuki members and has overpowered Orochimaru. He's learned how to use a katana and new jutsus.

I do realise that Naruto has advanced somewhat, but in comparison to how much his fellow ninjas have accomplished, he has advanced at a snail's pace. I also realise that he has time to learn more, but the years with Jiraiya seem to have been wasted on this front.

And i don't know if u noticed but my notion of masterpiece is not a flawless work.

I did not notice, but thanks for pointing that out. Going by my personal definition of a masterpiece (not necessarily flawless or perfect), though, I've got to say that Naruto is below par.

It's okay for you to state why you think Naruto is ingenious, but I abhor how you make a judgment on who is intelligent and who is stupid based on their tastes. That's just disgusting.

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Maybe Naruto is being taken to serious. I mean it is a manga for kids to read and get hyped up and sell toys/merchandise. I personally think it is a great story and have read and watched religiously for years. But in the end it is a comic for kids. If you need a sewn-up perfect story, you should read some Tolstoy or Marry Shelly. For me I give Naruto a 10 for pre-timeskip and a 7 for post. But it's still fun and I read every chapter.

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